Ep. 6 Myrtle Beach Murder Mystery

 

Speaker 1 00:29

Pack your body bags. We’re going on a Slaycation. Welcome to the show that’s rated one star by travel agents, but hopefully 4 .7 by everybody else. How are you guys doing? This is Adam Tex Davis. I’m your co -host.

 

Speaker 1 00:41

I’m joined as always by my lovely wife, I’m Adam Tex Davis, your co -host. I am once again joined by my lovely wife. Hey. Hey. Do you have a name? Hi, Kim. How are you? And I’m also joined by my buddy, who is my work partner and, uh, how else do we, business partner, longtime friend, cohort.

 

Speaker 1 01:16

Jerry. Hi, Jerry. Hello, Adam. Good to see you. Nice to see you. And you, Timmy, excited for another episode of Slaycation? I can hear it.

 

Speaker 2 01:30

This one’s a tough one. This one’s a tough one. Yeah, it’s got a lot in it. Kim sent me this one. There’s a lot in it that just feels very close to home in some ways. I guess so. Yeah, it’s a tough one.

 

Speaker 2 01:48

That’s why she’s super excited. Yeah, the two of you.

 

Speaker 1 01:54

Once again, I do not know anything about the case. Sometimes I know the headline, sometimes I know less, and then this one I know nothing about the case. So I’m gonna be learning right along with you, the listener, and hopefully I can ask questions that you would if you were sitting here, getting stared at by Kim, who does not look thrilled.

 

Speaker 1 02:17

But, we’re gonna do it.

 

Speaker 2 02:18

dive deep yeah it’s like and and Kim Kim can jump in this one in a sec but like this is one of the ones real this is why this is why the true crime genre freaks me out because it’s just like yeah it’s such a gross no no it is a

 

Speaker 3 02:32

most terrible stories, it’s pretty heart -wrenching.

 

Speaker 1 02:39

Great, my jokes are going to be awesome. Counter programming for the terror and horror. All right, Kemi, let’s start it.

 

Speaker 3 02:48

This case had gotten a lot of air time like I do remember seeing the face of this young girl and Being you know very peripherally aware of of the story in so far as here’s a young girl that goes missing Okay I guess what I really did not anticipate was just how quote I’m putting any quotes because normal a kid She was okay.

 

Speaker 3 03:20

So we are talking today about Brittany Marie Drexel Brittany was born October 7th for 1991 Okay, and at this time It was 2009 Brittany was in her junior year of high school and she was your regular teenager and all the fun that comes with it

 

Speaker 1 03:47

You know? Well, as the father of a teenager.

 

Speaker 3 03:50

Well, yes, we certainly have been that route. And you know, she’s an athlete. She plays soccer for her high school soccer team and is close to her coach. She has a close family, her mom Dawn, her stepdad, Chad, he had adopted her when her and her mother met when she was about three and a half years old.

 

Speaker 3 04:17

Her father died? Dawn had met her, Britney’s biological, they were teenagers. Okay, so he was never really… So he wasn’t really around, although he did make a comeback and they did form a relationship.

 

Speaker 3 04:35

So she did have a relationship during those last years of her life with her biological father. But the man who raised her was her stepfather, the man who, Chad, yes. And she has siblings? She has siblings.

 

Speaker 3 04:49

Her mom had two children with Chad, her sibling Marissa and her younger brother Camden. Okay, and where do they live? They lived in upstate New York in Rochester. And her siblings adored her. She was like the big sister.

 

Speaker 3 05:10

I think they said there was like six years apart between them. Britney and she was six years old when her sister was born. So she was about 12 when her baby brother.

 

Speaker 1 05:22

So, alright, I’m stealing myself for the

 

Speaker 3 05:27

Yeah, so she was, you know, your average kid and picture.

 

Speaker 1 05:30

here if you want to. Oh god no, I don’t know. Well you know what it’s we’re in the before phase. Ah she looks like one of the Olsen twins or something. Super cute. Yeah sweet. All right.

 

Speaker 3 05:42

Yeah, you know…

 

Speaker 1 05:44

So I guess I’m guessing who the victim is in this. Yeah.

 

Speaker 3 05:47

You know, Gregarious, you know, just seemed like a really nice kid. So reports were that during this time, her parents, Chad and Dawn, were going through some rough patches in their marriage. And at this point, I think they had separated.

 

Speaker 3 06:07

It was hard on Britney. And the kids stayed with mom? Yeah. Okay.

 

Speaker 1 06:13

Thank you.

 

Speaker 2 06:13

And Brittany, just to time -wise, she’s 17 at this point, so she’s a senior in high school. Right.

 

Speaker 3 06:20

and you know she’s stressed she’s bummed and an opportunity presents itself an opportunity to go to Myrtle Beach on a vacation on a vacation on spring

 

Speaker 2 06:39

Spring break. So high school kids going on spring break with her boyfriend and some kids that her mom didn’t really know.

 

Speaker 3 06:48

Exactly. Although her boyfriend ended up not going, I don’t know if he was going, but I know that he did not go with her on spring break. She went on spring break with some older kids that she was acquainted with.

 

Speaker 3 07:02

I’m not really clear on whether or not they were great friends or whatever they can use. From the town or from the… Right, from her school.

 

Speaker 2 07:10

school when she when she announced to her when Brittany announced to her mom that she wanted to go to Myrtle Beach on spring break her mom was like no no no way not happening not on your life we are not doing that all right stories over wasn’t even a conversation right and oh did

 

Speaker 3 07:29

She’d do what all her 17 -year -olds do and sneak out? Right. She was relentless in her begging, apparently, to be able to go on this trip. And her mom kept saying, no.

 

Speaker 2 07:42

I don’t know these people. You’re too young to go on this trip. I generally have, her mom said, I kept saying I have a bad feeling about you going to this place. I don’t know. Absolutely not.

 

Speaker 1 07:51

Teenagers are not taking no for an answer. That’s so odd. I know. It’s crazy. It is. It is.

 

Speaker 2 07:57

very, very unusual. Yeah, it does.

 

Speaker 3 08:00

And here’s the thing, her mom did everything right. Her mom said, no, I don’t know these kids. I don’t know their families. There’s no adult supervision. You’re not going.

 

Speaker 2 08:16

Right. And this leads to days of arguments. Like, Britney, I think part of the issue was because there had been some family drama between Dawn and Chad. And things had been pretty tough at home. And Britney was under a lot of stress.

 

Speaker 2 08:32

And she saw this as like, a reprieve, a fun way to just get away, blow off some steam. I mean, I get it.

 

Speaker 1 08:40

I mean, I get why.

 

Speaker 2 08:41

Yeah, I get why she would want to go but when her mom said no It was just like the source of the stress was also making more stress and saying you couldn’t go You know, we all you’ve seen that with Right

 

Speaker 1 08:55

The current thing is like sometimes when you ground your child, you’re putting the punishment on you. You’re grounded. You’re as much grounded as she is, and yeah, it’s definitely a double -edged sword.

 

Speaker 2 09:10

And so she, you know, so there’s days and days of fighting to the point where Brittany is like, can I go stay at my friend’s place for a day? My friend Myrtle, Myrtle, Myrtle B. Can I go stay at my friend’s place to just, just calm down?

 

Speaker 2 09:27

Like, I just got to get out of the house. And mom’s like, okay.

 

Speaker 1 09:33

Oh boy, and then they go to Myrtle Beach.

 

Speaker 3 09:38

Well, yeah, I mean, she did what the average team does. In other words, it’s not off brand. To do what? To lie. And essentially say, OK, so I won’t do Myrtle Beach. How about if you let me go with my friend?

 

Speaker 3 09:58

I will stay with my friend. It was her mom’s understanding that it was pretty local. She was going to be not far. In the Rochester vicinity, right?

 

Speaker 2 10:09

So she goes to her friend in Rochester’s theoretically

 

Speaker 1 10:14

legitimately did go to her friends.

 

Speaker 2 10:16

to a friend in Rochester to like, cool off.

 

Speaker 1 10:18

Was this friend supposed to be part of the Myrtle Beach gang? Well, her mom didn’t

 

Speaker 2 10:22

ask that question or know the answer to that question and the answer to that question is yes.

 

Speaker 3 10:29

her mom actually spoke to an adult she spoke to an adult that said yes yes Britney’s with us

 

Speaker 2 10:40

And she was. Oh, oh. No, she was. She was. She was. I see. So she was with that family in Rochester.

 

Speaker 1 10:46

right until until they weren’t it wasn’t right so she outsmarted she outfoxed her mom

 

Speaker 2 10:53

She outfoxed her mom in a way that gets even more devious because they leave Rochester They go to Myrtle Beach and she calls her mom From Myrtle Beach, right because one of the

 

Speaker 3 11:08

things is, is that she says, I will stay in touch. Check in.

 

Speaker 2 11:11

Yes. Her mom says, where are you? And Brittany says, I’m at the beach. And she is. And her mom says, great. Because there’s a beach near Rochester, and it had been very hot, it was like 85 degrees in Rochester.

 

Speaker 2 11:25

And her mom assumed she meant she was at… The beach near Lake Ontario. Yeah, Lake Ontario, right, so very close to where they were. So that’s what her mom thought she meant when she says I’m at the beach.

 

Speaker 2 11:37

That’s not where she is, she’s in Myrtle Beach.

 

Speaker 1 11:40

Mm -hmm. She does the fake call. Hey, why are you calling from this 709 area or whatever that? You know, I don’t know what Myrtle Beach is, but she call on herself. No, she’s

 

Speaker 3 11:50

She had a cell phone and she called her mom and she checked in and she did all that. She did everything that she said she was going to do except that she wasn’t. She just omitted a few words.

 

Speaker 1 12:02

Right. Like Myrtle Beach. No, she said beach. She said beach. She said one word. I’m at the beach. What was that? I couldn’t hear you. All right. So now her mom is convinced that she’s safe and sound in Rochester.

 

Speaker 1 12:16

Right. Even at one point.

 

Speaker 3 12:19

you know, you know, her mom was getting ready to get her soccer gear and her sister was like, oh, I don’t know what size cleats she wears. So let’s call her and they call her and she gives them the size and they’re like, I love you.

 

Speaker 3 12:33

I love you to her, you know. So what’s very clear is that Brittany is very responsive. So she answers her phone. She checks in. She you know.

 

Speaker 1 12:49

really good kid. Yeah, but also good, like our daughter was good at like playing, you know, like don’t give anything suspicious that would make us want to look into things further. So be very responsive and very attentive.

 

Speaker 1 13:05

And we’re like thinking everything is great. Of course she’s where she’s supposed to be. Right, you pull high. Yeah, but okay, so.

 

Speaker 2 13:15

to be fair i mean gia’s sort of defense i guess but like she didn’t she didn’t like leave the state

 

Speaker 1 13:25

Not.

 

Speaker 2 13:25

that would mean the physical she may have left the mental state no I mean I don’t know founder

 

Speaker 3 13:32

I guess the thing is, is that what was very clear to me was that Gia had already had me suspicious. I don’t think Brittany was on her mom’s radar in the same way, so it was different.

 

Speaker 2 13:51

I like the fact that when she said I’m at the beach and her mom’s like, cool. Yeah. Because you would have been like, what beach? Right. Right. Name the beach. Right. Send me a photo. Right. Send me a photo of yourself right now.

 

Speaker 1 14:05

Yeah, I did that one time. She was like telling me she was somewhere. I was like go ahead What street are you on and she’s like? Oh, I’m in Park Slope I’m I’m in I’m in I’m in the neighborhood and I was like go to the nearest street sign and take a picture of you Under the street sign.

 

Speaker 1 14:18

Um, my My phone’s not working. My phone’s not working. I can’t keep my camera. I’m like take my old Motorola phone. I can’t. No, this shit would not fly with With Kim, but to your point like yeah, I mean look granted five days of fighting over Myrtle Beach You’d probably be a little suspicious.

 

Speaker 1 14:35

Oh, but I’m just gonna go to my friend’s assistant, but maybe I don’t know

 

Speaker 2 14:39

I don’t think Brittany had ever done anything that yeah, I think you would be like well

 

Speaker 3 14:43

There was no again. Yeah.

 

Speaker 1 14:45

And if there was a good Plan B, go to the friend’s house. Right.

 

Speaker 3 14:48

Great. She has a friend. She can hang out with the friend. She’s able to, you know decompress and do that and to be fair

 

Speaker 2 14:56

Like mom had also she felt like she’d made her point day after day like I don’t know these people There’s no adult supervision. You’re too young to do this. I and she kept saying I have a bad feeling about it She had a bad hunch, right?

 

Speaker 1 15:10

Which, you know, look, as parents, I think we’re just a series of bad hunches. We pray that they don’t come- Yeah, but there’s-

 

Speaker 2 15:16

There’s there’s like I just jet there’s generalized parental anxiety and then there’s like bad hunch, right?

 

Speaker 1 15:23

So okay, so she’s in Myrtle Beach with how many kids she’s with

 

Speaker 3 15:27

Two couples. So she went down there, they drove down together, it’s two couples. And these kids are all in the 18, 19 range? Well, I think they’re seniors. So they…

 

Speaker 2 15:40

There’s 17 or 18. It’s a high school crowd though. And it’s April 22nd, 2009. April 22nd, 2009 when they go down. 2000, okay.

 

Speaker 3 15:51

Now, while Brittany was there with them, I mean, she would go and kind of do her own thing. This particular day, she went and connected with another friend who was also in Myrtle Beach. He was a little older.

 

Speaker 3 16:06

He was staying at the Blue Water Resort. So where were they staying? They were staying at the Bar Harbor Hotel. Brittany was staying there with her friends. A hotel? With the people that she came with, yes.

 

Speaker 3 16:19

They were staying at the Bar Harbor Hotel.

 

Speaker 2 16:21

Peter Brozowitz was

 

Speaker 3 16:22

her friend right right and she had gone to see him so she actually walked from her hotel to his hotel we were

 

Speaker 1 16:30

Right so the kids she went down with that included the person she was supposed to be staying with

 

Speaker 2 16:37

she was staying with. Brittany was staying with her friends at the Bar Harbor Ocean Hotel.

 

Speaker 1 16:42

Right. And one of them was the one whose house she was supposed to be. That was not clear.

 

Speaker 3 16:48

whether the person that she was supposed to be at in Rochester wound up going to Myrtle Beach. That I don’t know.

 

Speaker 1 16:56

That’s not clear because also there was a parent of that person and that parent never I guess She must have lied to that parent and said like okay. I’m gonna go back home or whatever See cuz that’s the other thing like you would have called that parent back to double -check make sure she’s there.

 

Speaker 1 17:13

Yeah

 

Speaker 3 17:15

But again, I don’t know that Britney was on her mom’s radar that way.

 

Speaker 1 17:20

Right. Okay. So Brittany and two couples are down in Myrtle Beach. So she’s like a third wheel to two different couples or like a fifth wheel.

 

Speaker 2 17:31

And then she has another friend. There’s another Chester. Okay didn’t travel with them right this kid Peter But the boy boy, he’s a couple years older. Okay party promoter from Rochester

 

Speaker 3 17:42

He’s staying at the Blue Water Resort.

 

Speaker 2 17:45

And her and her friends were staying at the Bar Harbor Ocean Hotel. And I can show you here, actually, if you want to see these, just to give you a little bit of the lay of the land. It’s like a strip, like the…

 

Speaker 2 17:54

I mean, it’s like 15 blocks. This is the… that little blue line. It’s about…

 

Speaker 3 18:00

a mile and a half.

 

Speaker 2 18:04

It’s a very busy it’s a busy ocean strip. Yep easy, you know 25 minute walk

 

Speaker 1 18:08

Okay, and she starts staying with him

 

Speaker 3 18:12

No, she just is going to hang out. She’s going to just go for a visit, hang out. So she does. She walks there from her hotel to his.

 

Speaker 2 18:21

And that’s on the 25th, so after three days of being down there, she goes to Peter’s hotel.

 

Speaker 3 18:29

hangs out. And this was April 25th, 2009. And she’s dead. I’m bracing myself. What happens? She goes, she sees him, Peter, and his friends, because he went down there with a group of his friends. Okay.

 

Speaker 3 18:45

And they’re hanging out. She then gets a text from her roommate back at the hotel she’s staying at, which essentially had to do with the fact that you have my shorts. I want to wear my shorts. Okay. So she then has to go back and bring the clothes she’s borrowed back or the clothes that she is worn back.

 

Speaker 3 19:11

So she then gets ready to make her way back. And the plan was is that she would switch out, put on another pair of shorts or whatever and come back.

 

Speaker 1 19:23

Okay, so she lied to her mom and she’s a short’s thief. And she-

 

Speaker 3 19:26

That’s right. But she’s a good kid. Right. Right. She…

 

Speaker 2 19:31

borrowed this short. I’m just kidding.

 

Speaker 1 19:33

Also, who cares that much about, you know what? Teenage girls. Yeah, our daughter would. Ah, I wanted to wear those shorts tonight. Oh, totally. I can’t go out. I cannot leave the hotel room. All right, so she heads back.

 

Speaker 1 19:44

Is it like nighttime or something? Or is this where something bad happens or on the return of the shorts?

 

Speaker 2 19:52

What time of day was it? Do you know? It was the evening. Okay.

 

Speaker 3 19:56

It was the.

 

Speaker 1 19:56

evening. Okay, so she’s bringing back the shorts, so she leaves.

 

Speaker 2 20:00

Peters and his friends at the the blue right hotel. I’ll be there shortly, right?

 

Speaker 3 20:07

I mean, interestingly enough, she’s on borrowed time. She. Right. But she’s on the phone. She’s texting. She’s texting with her boyfriend. She’s even texted with her mom. Right. She’s, you know, there’s even surveillance.

 

Speaker 3 20:26

Of her walking. Yeah, because every one of you. Her face in the phone.

 

Speaker 2 20:30

This whole boardwalk has these cameras.

 

Speaker 1 20:32

Gosh, okay

 

Speaker 2 20:35

she’s texting, she abruptly at 9 .15 p .m., abruptly stops replying to text from her boyfriend who’s back home in Rochester.

 

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Speaker 2 21:46

That is very unusual for her. She’s always responsive to texts and calls. And so the boyfriend immediately calls. He’s he’s freaked out like he’s like this is something happened. Right. At one point.

 

Speaker 3 21:57

At one point he’s like, if you don’t, I’m gonna call your mom and tell her that you’re in Myrtle Beach.

 

Speaker 2 22:01

which he does, very promptly.

 

Speaker 1 22:03

Right, right. Okay, so he knows she’s there.

 

Speaker 3 22:06

Yeah, he knows that she’s there. They’ve been communicating. Gotcha. And he is alarmed by the fact that she’s not responding. She’s not responding. And that even after he said, I’m going to go, I’m going to tell your mom, I’m going to call.

 

Speaker 2 22:19

And no response to that is when he called her mom. And she immediately calls the Rochester cops and asks them to call the Myrtle Beach police.

 

Speaker 3 22:31

So, Brittany’s mom, Dawn, calls a friend of the family, John Hahn, I believe his name is. He is a Marine and he’s stationed in North Carolina. I think it’s maybe two or three hours away from where Brittany- Gotcha, so he can get down there.

 

Speaker 3 22:53

Right, so he goes down there. He drives to Myrtle Beach and files a police report on behalf of the family.

 

Speaker 1 23:04

Okay. But it’s like too early for a missing person, right? It’s only been…

 

Speaker 3 23:08

Initially the cops were they were resistant. Sure, but his sense of urgency and his

 

Speaker 1 23:17

Your phone could run out of battery. Like, this all could have easily.

 

Speaker 3 23:21

Well, whatever it was, he made the case and they got right on it. Okay.

 

Speaker 1 23:27

Plus she’s underage and she’s not supposed to be there. Right. Okay. Right. Oh boy, okay. So the boyfriend alerted the mom, the mom alerted the police, the police now, and then they also got this guy involved, so there’s a bounty hunter type that’s running around.

 

Speaker 1 23:43

Okay, then where do we go?

 

Speaker 2 23:45

A couple of things happen at that point. So they’re trying to figure out where is she, right? So the easiest thing to do is to start tracing her cell phone signal. It’s pinging basically like on a 50 -mile route south of Myrtle Beach down Route 17.

 

Speaker 2 24:07

So they are like, OK, then it stops. The signal stops at one point. So they’re like, all right, we got to go to this area and look for her. They also pull all of the surveillance video from the Myrtle Beach boardwalk from that night.

 

Speaker 2 24:20

And the hotel. And the hotels. And they see her all the way until 11th Street, which is about halfway, and she disappears. But they don’t see her disappear. She’s just there, and then she’s not there.

 

Speaker 3 24:34

Right, and the surveillance footage, they see her going there, going to her friend at the Blue Ward Resort to go visit Peter.

 

Speaker 2 24:45

track her there, and then they track her halfway back to return the shorts, and then she’s just off the radar. And that’s at 9 .15, which is when she stopped texting her boyfriend back. So now at this point, they’re like, something bad has happened.

 

Speaker 2 25:02

And they’re seeing her cell phone signals going 50 miles south. Same as she’s been kidnapped. Something, they don’t know. I’m assuming. They’re assuming something bad has happened. Yeah. So an 11 -day search, like a big manhunt.

 

Speaker 2 25:19

Lots and lots of people involved.

 

Speaker 3 25:23

Your mom came in from Rochester to South Carolina.

 

Speaker 2 25:29

mom is convinced her daughter had been abducted for human trafficking and the Myrtle Beach police were like it’s possible but very unlikely because Myrtle Beach is not considered a hot spot for human trafficking actually well interestingly places are well there’s another town in North Carolina well

 

Speaker 3 25:50

Interestingly enough, their response to that was, it’s not something that happens. Right. They said that that’s not… That doesn’t happen around here. Right, but that was their response. You want human trafficking, you gotta go 20 miles south.

 

Speaker 3 26:10

Yeah, they said that they don’t have that kind of history.

 

Speaker 2 26:13

There is another town. They actually said there’s a there’s a carol or something. There’s another town in North Carolina that for some reason is like a hot spot of human trafficking.

 

Speaker 3 26:22

Well, there was a reporter, um, Tori Gessner.

 

Speaker 1 26:26

everybody knows that to play in the you know the sandbox that this is the human trafficking place and this is the not not new stay out of Myrtle Beach human traffickers I don’t think they give a shit I think they will grab a person

 

Speaker 2 26:39

So it’s rural areas in the military communities around Durham, Fayetteville, and Raleigh have labor trafficking, but not a lot of what her mom thought happened.

 

Speaker 3 26:49

Well, a reporter by the name of Tori Gessner had reported from WTW News in 2019, actually. South Carolina is one of the top 20 trafficking hubs, and apparently Myrtle Beach is near one of the most trafficked locations.

 

Speaker 3 27:11

Horry County is near Myrtle Beach.

 

Speaker 1 27:16

I mean regardless you got drunk kids on a beach a lot of that’s going on

 

Speaker 3 27:23

that would make traffic in. What was it?

 

Speaker 1 27:25

It’s trafficking or just, you know…

 

Speaker 3 27:27

but that was one of the that was one of the ideas it was one of those things that came up as right apart

 

Speaker 1 27:35

All right, so the searching and the searching.

 

Speaker 2 27:38

Yeah, they’re searching and they search for almost two weeks and they don’t. They don’t find anything.

 

Speaker 1 27:43

Right. At this point, the cell phone is no longer…

 

Speaker 2 27:46

It stopped. I mean, it stopped that night around 50 miles. Did they go?

 

Speaker 1 27:50

to that area where we did stuff? Oh, yeah.

 

Speaker 2 27:53

No, they, they searched that whole route. They scoured, especially around where it stopped. They, they started doing, you know, identifying like, well, profiling, if we were going to put a body somewhere, where would it be?

 

Speaker 2 28:05

Let’s go look there. And yeah, they just, they find nothing and the mom, you know, start to decide she’s got to spend more time down here to try and keep the, the heat on the investigation. I hate this case.

 

Speaker 2 28:21

Yeah, I hate this case. I hate this case. I hate this. I hate this is such a, you know, this is the case as a kid who just wanted to have fun, who was pissed off, did the thing teenagers do and ends up gone.

 

Speaker 2 28:34

Right. Just, you know, it’s so sad.

 

Speaker 3 28:36

It’s, okay, can we bring this to…

 

Speaker 1 28:38

Festival of Sadness to a conclusion, honey.

 

Speaker 2 28:43

Well…

 

Speaker 1 28:45

Which honey?

 

Speaker 2 28:45

Ha ha ha ha!

 

Speaker 1 28:47

Josh, Josh, the sound engineer.

 

Speaker 2 28:50

Stop. Ugh, God. All right, so they put up a reward at some point. You know, the FBI puts up a $25 ,000 reward for information.

 

Speaker 3 29:00

There was an all -out hunt, but nothing came of it. Right. The case went cold. Okay.

 

Speaker 2 29:08

In the United States, there is, and these estimates vary, but roughly they say there’s around a quarter of a million women who go missing every year, and most of them turn up at some point, but a lot of them don’t.

 

Speaker 2 29:24

Despite the fact that we’re a first world country, we are among the deadliest countries for women and girls. We have 5 ,000 women per year who are murdered, three women per day in this country are murdered by someone they know closely, a boyfriend, a husband.

 

Speaker 2 29:44

This is actually an unusual case because more men are murdered by strangers than women, which is, these are both terrible statistics, but it’s very sad that a much higher percentage of murders of women are by people that they know.

 

Speaker 2 30:03

The fact that she was murdered by someone she didn’t know, and the fact that there wasn’t any … They really look at that guy, Peter, closely, because they’re like, typically when a woman goes missing or is murdered, it’s someone she knows.

 

Speaker 2 30:16

Right, and they were friends.

 

Speaker 1 30:17

Wait a second. You just said she was murdered. How do we know she was murdered? Well… Did they find… Well…

 

Speaker 3 30:26

Slow down, slow your roll. I did say that, I apologize. No, Jerry jumped ahead, don’t talk to me.

 

Speaker 2 30:31

We are at a show called Slake Haitian. I know. But no, they actually looked, so they started looking really closely at that guy she visited who was from Rochester. Like what happened? Who was he? He was one of the last people to see her.

 

Speaker 2 30:46

He was the last person she knew who could identify her. I saw her alive. And he, the next day was like, he went back to Rochester. Lawyered up. And lawyered up because he’s like, the cops are asking me questions.

 

Speaker 2 31:02

And then of course people were like, whoa, he fled Myrtle Beach and he left all of his clothes behind. He left like a bathing suit on the balcony. So he’s completely innocent. This kid has nothing to do with anything.

 

Speaker 3 31:14

But one of the things that made him suspicious was that shortly after she disappeared, him and his group of friends left. They went- What are they supposed to do? Well, it was the time- Promote a party?

 

Speaker 3 31:31

It was the time-

 

Speaker 2 31:33

That’s what and he said people were like saying that was strange and suspicious. He was like, this is horrible. This girl I knew disappeared. There’s what am I gonna do? It’s terrible

 

Speaker 1 31:44

But he didn’t do anything. Right. I mean it’s…

 

Speaker 3 31:45

It turned out that one of the people, one of the guys in their group had an exam and had to get back.

 

Speaker 1 31:52

that is such a tricky situation right because it’s like almost like you know that if you leave you’ll be casting suspicion on yourself but it’s like what are you supposed to do I’m I have to stay here so I don’t look suspicious well I don’t even know if I mean he could tear I don’t I mean I’m sure he cared he did care

 

Speaker 3 32:10

know but it’s like I mean he made an appearance in the Dr. Phil show did he yeah I was that I don’t know didn’t make him look or dear him you shouldn’t do the

 

Speaker 1 32:21

Dr. Phil Shill.

 

Speaker 2 32:22

Just a bad idea. He’s a he’s a terrible. He’s a party promoter

 

Speaker 1 32:26

He thinks he’s going to be able to, you know.

 

Speaker 2 32:30

But if you’re a young party promoter, for a guy who’s a good looking young kid from Rochester, he’s going to come off bad. Right, exactly. So they put out a bounty for any information about what happened to her.

 

Speaker 2 32:45

And we’re not going to get into the weeds on this particular aspect, but this case and the information, the fact that it was popular, not popular, but seen in the news, led to this very strange situation where some people in jail started ratting each other out, claiming that this one had done it and that one had done it.

 

Speaker 2 33:08

And it said- Yeah, it did create that sort of frenzy. A frenzy of just misinformation and shadiness and witness protect, all this just, it just like stash houses and just, it built this whole picture that was actually a horrible, like probably a worse picture of what happened than what actually happened, that like the family had to hear all this stuff, the FBI had to go investigate it, it was just this weeks of terrible-

 

Speaker 1 33:36

Claim in order to try to claim the reward for information guys just started making stuff up about other inmates and we’re not

 

Speaker 2 33:43

on whether they were trying to claim the reward or whether they were trying to score points to lessen their own sentences, but the point is, people were trying to somehow use this case in pretending they had information to somehow leverage help for themselves, and the city just started making up, there was like three or four guys in different prisons that started just making up crazy stories.

 

Speaker 1 34:06

But they weren’t saying that they did it. They were saying this other person.

 

Speaker 2 34:10

to this place to buy drugs and I heard this guy on the phone and I saw her here. One guy claimed he, like he was like the fart’s gump of this case. He saw her like in four different places at four different times randomly, right?

 

Speaker 2 34:22

So then the police nape you have to go like look into all this stuff and it’s all just dead ends. It all turns, right? Kim, it was all just…

 

Speaker 3 34:31

Well, there was a certain point where the FBI had a inmate informant Who was feeding them all this information? They actually named somebody Timothy Taylor Timothy

 

Speaker 1 34:45

Taylor. Isn’t that the kid on the fairy odd parents? I’m kidding. I mean, I’m not kidding. I think that was the character.

 

Speaker 3 34:52

Same guy, okay. So Timothy Taylor is named by an inmate by the name of Taquan Brown. Taquan Brown had stated that he had seen her at a, what they call a stash house, which is a drug house. And he puts the blame on, or he calls out a gentleman by the name of Timothy Taylor as the…

 

Speaker 3 35:18

Perpetuous. Right.

 

Speaker 1 35:19

Okay, but was this real?

 

Speaker 7 35:21

No.

 

Speaker 1 35:22

No. Okay. So what is real?

 

Speaker 2 35:26

So they looked into this guy named Raymond Moody, back when the case was first percolating. They cleared him. They couldn’t find any evidence. They had some, he was a registered sex offender. There was some circumstantial stuff that they saw that might have linked him to the case.

 

Speaker 2 35:45

But they couldn’t find anything to charge him. So, but he had been on their radar.

 

Speaker 1 35:53

as a local creep.

 

Speaker 3 35:55

Yeah, and just that he did. He was actually pulled over by cops a day after her disappearance, so we know he was there. Gotcha, in the area. Yeah.

 

Speaker 1 36:05

Yes.

 

Speaker 2 36:05

Okay. So this was in 2009 when all of this went down now cut to 2000, it was like 2019, 2020 very recently.

 

Speaker 3 36:16

also mentioned that there was a tip called in from a relative of his that the sex offender yes of there was a relative of Raymond Moody that called in a tip to authorities that named him as a possible suspect since Moody was in that vicinity where Brittany was and Raymond Moody had been previously incarcerated for similar crimes in California right

 

Speaker 2 36:49

Okay. So the case, you know, was sort of cold ish, but it was, it was not that long ago. And it was on everyone’s radar and her mom had moved to down there and was just always keeping the pressure on.

 

Speaker 2 37:03

And cell phone tech, cell phone tracking technology and just investigation technology had advanced so much. And video also.

 

Speaker 3 37:12

So being able to take and enhance surveillance.

 

Speaker 2 37:18

got some new information. No, they didn’t get new information. They were able to use old information in a new way. And so what they were able to do was to take the cell phone tracking from his phone and her phone, Moody, and before, you know, in 2009, you could do cell phone tracking like roughly it was moving in this direction around this flat.

 

Speaker 2 37:44

Now they could take the data that had existed from 2009 and do like more specific things with it. Like what we do with our daughter.

 

Speaker 1 37:54

a Tracker down to the fucking street. She’s lying and pretending she’s not on

 

Speaker 3 38:01

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Speaker 2 39:03

So they were able to pin it down to a specific phone tower. Eventually, they were able, using all this data and sorting through it, they were able to pin down a one -minute window where his phone and basically this one minute where they could see that she got crossed paths with him and got into his car and then are able to track his movements from there.

 

Speaker 2 39:30

So at this point, they got the guy. This is the guy. He’s a sex offender. He was on our radar before. There’s a tip. The phone records, the phone’s boom. Like the X marks the spot.

 

Speaker 3 39:43

And technology is such now that they were able to even see with the data how fast she was going, whether she was walking or in a vehicle.

 

Speaker 2 39:56

So, so they caught, they, they get him. He confesses to kidnapping, rape, and murder. The other interesting twist to this that comes out is that he had a girlfriend. Who Raymond Moody, the monster, the monster, the killer for 15 years, girlfriend, woman, angel vows, who not only did he have a girlfriend, but of course the police go to her and say, what do you know about this crime?

 

Speaker 2 40:28

She says, I don’t know anything. Never heard of this girl. Never met this girl. They interview her three different times on the record. And she throughout a 10 year period of being interviewed multiple times says she’d never met Brittany Drexel.

 

Speaker 2 40:42

She doesn’t know who she is. And then they offer her essentially an immunity agreement. They say, Hey, how about we give you immunity and interview you again? And then she signs this immunity agreement.

 

Speaker 2 40:56

This is like in 2022 round when he’s arrested. And she says, she says she was in the car with Moody when they, when they.

 

Speaker 1 41:09

They called her, bring me over to the car. So wait, they called her over to the car. This is what she’s saying.

 

Speaker 2 41:14

Yeah, so what she says let me actually read you from from the thing so this is what Angel Vowis the girlfriend says She’s in the car. She says he pulled the car over to a little parking lot on the side of the road We called out to her Brittany walked over the car He spoke to her out the window and said something like hey Do you want to let smoke do a line or two, you know, and she said yes, and she gets in the vehicle Oh She says she wasn’t there for the crime that her son had called and she had to leave and go hand over keys.

 

Speaker 2 41:47

I mean this all sounds Iffy I mean like, you know, I mean this is his

 

Speaker 3 41:53

his, her account and his account.

 

Speaker 2 41:55

and 10 years later and she’s clearly.

 

Speaker 1 41:58

she wants to cover for this piece of shit. That’s what she’s doing. Yeah, this girl does not. But seriously, she wasn’t.

 

Speaker 2 42:03

trucking to do in lines and smoking shit, that’s not a thing.

 

Speaker 3 42:08

I mean, it’s the only true.

 

Speaker 1 42:10

drug addicts is there like some kind of bizarre i mean i don’t know if they’re i don’t know

 

Speaker 2 42:14

know anything about her but it just seems extremely unlikely given what we know about Brittany that she was like yeah let me get in this car with you strangers and dude you’re like that’s just not this just sounds like she’s trying to paint she’s trying to both cover her ass right say what happened keep herself out of it and also she’s trying to taint yeah the reputation this girl who she helped this guy and yeah so

 

Speaker 3 42:38

protecting her involvement, I believe.

 

Speaker 1 42:41

They were working as a pair to get this

 

Speaker 2 42:46

I don’t know. I don’t know why this woman would be helping do this.

 

Speaker 1 42:50

You know, but also like a 15 year relationship with a guy who’s who, you know, you know, you know, out of jail for like child.

 

Speaker 2 43:00

Oh, we met when I was six. You know, so this woman is already, in my mind, an extremely suspect witness. And it’s like, I don’t know what she had to do with the crime, I don’t really, I mean, she’s been given the duty.

 

Speaker 2 43:12

But she didn’t go to jail, or she did nothing. No, no, no, she’s, the both of them say she had nothing to do with it. But it is very suspect to be like, like, why are you calling this little girl over to your car with your older, your boyfriend who’s in his form?

 

Speaker 2 43:27

Like, it makes no, it’s all creepy as hell. So.

 

Speaker 1 43:29

Yeah, in my mind. I was thinking like he had to have grabbed her and dragged her into the car now It seems like there’s the possibility that it was a little less of a forced abduction But either way I don’t know man.

 

Speaker 1 43:41

I don’t know car

 

Speaker 2 43:43

What is this girl, like, retrusting in her account?

 

Speaker 3 43:45

Oh, I could see the possibility because Brittany didn’t like to walk. So maybe, yeah, that like, you know.

 

Speaker 1 43:55

That’s just like makes me want to run home right now and grab Gia and just make sure just walk. Yeah Love to walk Gia. Also stay with other people. Don’t don’t run to Myrtle Beach and lie. Don’t do any of this

 

Speaker 2 44:07

the fact that this woman is talking 10, it’s 10 years later. She’s covering herself, she’s talking about clearly they had drugs, so she’s doing drugs. So I think her version is suspect. It’s just interesting that this woman was in the car also.

 

Speaker 2 44:20

I don’t know if I believe her that Britney just got in the car, like maybe they called her over. Kids are so stupid. I don’t know. They do stupid things. That is true. I don’t know, it’s so tricky. I’m just on this particular case, I’m very mindful of, like with some of the older people, like you can say like she had agency, she knew better, she shouldn’t have done this, this is a kid.

 

Speaker 2 44:45

And it’s like, I don’t wanna, I wanna be very careful about victim blaming, not that we’re victim blaming, but like because we have no idea whether she got in the car voluntarily or was dragged into the car.

 

Speaker 2 44:59

I’m just gonna have no.

 

Speaker 1 45:01

no look here’s the thing if she got dragged into the car like it’s and this woman was there this angel woman was there like she’s she should be rotting in prison as well like correct

 

Speaker 3 45:14

Well, that was sort of the deal. It was sort of an immunity deal because the only way that they was going to really Get him. Help their case, to help their case.

 

Speaker 2 45:28

Right. They needed her to say what all they needed to know from her for their case was I was there. This girl came over. She got in the car. She ended up in the car. She was in the car.

 

Speaker 3 45:41

was put them together, to put them together.

 

Speaker 2 45:43

them so and the cops because they gave her immunity they don’t really care whether whether her version is completely accurate or not all they care about is she’s put them put them together right

 

Speaker 3 45:54

Although the gentleman that interviewed her, I don’t remember his name, but he did say he felt she was more involved than she was.

 

Speaker 2 46:04

Yes, that is true. The the cop did say that and he would not elaborate on that, but it doesn’t matter because they gave her immunity right, so They use they were willing, you know, they’re like look she’s she’s for 10 years.

 

Speaker 2 46:18

She said I wasn’t there I don’t know. I don’t know and I’m like, yeah pretty sure you were there with your cell phone your cell phone records So you were there. No, I wasn’t there wasn’t there and it’s like you were there Right and we’re gonna give you immunity and all you have to do is just make Make it and it’s like and then she piles on this shit about well, we offered her drugs.

 

Speaker 2 46:37

It’s like mm -hmm. Yeah. Okay, sure

 

Speaker 7 46:41

Yeah.

 

Speaker 3 46:41

Raymond Moody was one of their earlier suspects in 2011 had searched where he had been living at the time of Brittany’s disappearance, but they didn’t find anything to connect him to the He was one of the first victims of Brittany’s disappearance.

 

Speaker 3 46:59

He was one of the first victims of Brittany’s disappearance. He was one of the first victims of Brittany’s disappearance. He was one of the first victims of Brittany’s disappearance.

 

Speaker 2 47:01

But they did find her remains once he… I was gonna ask him. He gave up the location. He told him exactly where he was. So he’s…

 

Speaker 1 47:07

So he married her and he told him exactly where she was.

 

Speaker 3 47:09

And this happened just last year, May of 2020, for family. Last year. 2022 was able to…

 

Speaker 1 47:21

What a brutal, horrible moment.

 

Speaker 2 47:23

You know, he admitted to everything. He said where she was and you know, it’s just a month. He’s a monster, right? So that so the end of the story with the family is that with him and the family is so he he pleads guilty to Murder he’s guilty kidnapping.

 

Speaker 2 47:39

He pleads guilty to first -degree criminal sexual conduct He gets life on the murder charge and 30 on each of the other charges which have to be served consecutively His statement, you know, the the family chooses to address him in court, which I can’t even imagine Yeah, god, yeah So he says, you know, he says I was a monster.

 

Speaker 2 48:00

I took her life I don’t have the words to express how horrible I feel and how I felt ever since that day and I’m very sorry Yeah, and her Mom who’s the one who’s pressed and pressed to get justice says No one wins today the criminal justice system failed my daughter as it continues to fail so many other victims Frankly, mr.

 

Speaker 2 48:25

Moody has failed you. You should never have been released from prison If you’d serve the full four -year sentence of your prior charge, you wouldn’t have been out but you walked after serving only 20 years and Return to your wicked ways and my daughter paid for that with her life

 

Speaker 3 48:42

Raymond Moody was in jail in California for the rape and kidnapping of a nine -year -old. Come on, you don’t let that guy out. Kerry Harding. You don’t let that guy out.

 

Speaker 2 48:56

do sometimes and it’s not always just a terrible idea I mean look there’s definitely some crimes where you’re like okay you know after you do some time but like I mean apparently serial

 

Speaker 3 49:11

He was a serial child rapist. He was charged in that 1983 abduction of that little girl. He had assaulted and pled to multiple assaults on seven girls ranging in ages from 8 to 19.

 

Speaker 2 49:31

And this guy was let out halfway through. I mean, like, you know, there are some people like that where like they should really just stay in jail. They’re just monsters. And, you know, we’re not we’re not a society that’s going to just like execute people for that, but like you should just keep them locked up.

 

Speaker 1 49:49

Or can’t we just relocate them to a place we hate, like another country or something?

 

Speaker 2 49:55

They’re gonna say Florida

 

Speaker 3 49:58

The thing that’s so frustrating about…

 

Speaker 7 50:03

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Speaker 2 50:04

Sorry, sorry.

 

Speaker 1 50:05

Mom and dad no cuz he can move out of a lot of family in Florida Yeah, at least cut off his hands feet and penis like and then let him out

 

Speaker 2 50:12

chemical castration was a Sentence that has been used in this country, but we don’t do it anymore because it’s considered barbaric but you know, maybe there are cases where it makes sense like if someone is a serial rapist of Children right that’s it’s a mental.

 

Speaker 2 50:30

It’s a mental illness it’s not a it’s not like I stole something from a store or I did something in a crime of fit of passion like that is a Deep like it’s a monstrous mental illness that we may not be able to fix I mean that that 20 years in jail and serving half a sentence isn’t gonna fix

 

Speaker 1 50:48

I mean, he convinced somebody that he was changed, or that he was, uh, what’s the word? Uh, cured? Chured, or, yeah, right. Well, and is it tricky? It’s a joke.

 

Speaker 2 50:59

That’s a tricky thing because I actually do think there’s a lot of people in prison who shouldn’t be in prison or who, you know, serving way more time than they should for one reason or another. But then you hear people like this that get out and it’s like you have to like, you can’t look at prison reform and prison sentencing as kind of a monolith.

 

Speaker 2 51:16

Like it is a little bit case by case. And I think what the mom says here that the criminal justice system failed everybody is 100% accurate. This is just a total failure to keep someone behind bars that should have been behind bars.

 

Speaker 2 51:32

And I mean, I don’t know, I don’t know why the California system thought it made sense to let this guy out. Right. I mean, but you know, then you look at New York and it’s like there’s people who served longer sentences for selling an ounce of fucking weed.

 

Speaker 2 51:44

Exactly.

 

Speaker 1 51:45

It’s like what if a guy gets choked to death for selling loose cigarettes because the cops want to jump all over him. I mean Yeah, it’s it’s it’s bizarre and you know, here’s the thing we were making like oh, you know, she snuck away She went with her friend like none of that matter.

 

Speaker 1 51:59

She could have been with her family on the vacation She could have run out to the store. She could have been shopping. She could have been with her siblings like whatever

 

Speaker 3 52:09

met up with a friend while vacationing with her family. I mean, here’s the thing, and that’s the thing that’s so upsetting. She was just a normal kid, just, I mean, even if her mom knew she was there and had given her permission, she was checking in, she was doing, you could say everything right.

 

Speaker 2 52:29

I hate this case on every level like I hate I hate everything that happened here who came up with this one and But the thing that is so frustrating about this one is you know the guy had a 40 -year jail sentence by the way Why why 40 years right?

 

Speaker 2 52:45

Why wasn’t he sentenced to be in prison for life for? Serial raping of children like well even 40 years

 

Speaker 3 52:52

Even people sentenced to life can find themselves paroled or whatever.

 

Speaker 2 53:00

this guy we knew he was a monster we knew he was a bad guy he was he had been caught multiple times he was in jail right why was he out on the streets in Myrtle Beach that is so fucking yeah it’s great

 

Speaker 1 53:15

it’s crazy and he’s not the only one you know that there’s this time I mean that’s the thing every parent’s nightmare is this kind of thing and you just know that the streets are potentially teeming with people like this that’s why parents are overprotective it almost feels like there’s nothing you could do like in this kind of case right

 

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Speaker 3 54:36

Kimmy, what do you think? You can do everything right. And with everything, it is a risk. I mean, I always try to make the point to have the conversation with my kid. Like, you know, people are crazy, don’t trust anybody.

 

Speaker 3 54:57

That’s the thing, yeah.

 

Speaker 1 54:59

the getting in the car, right?

 

Speaker 2 55:00

So here’s the one thing I would say here is like, especially as a young woman, maybe it’s hard, it’s a horrible thing to think about, but like, maybe you shouldn’t be walking alone as a 17 year old in a place, you know, it’s like, you shouldn’t have to think about that.

 

Speaker 3 55:17

No, but it’s a reality, you should always walk with friends. But again, she at this point, it felt like she was out there. She was at this point doing her own thing.

 

Speaker 2 55:27

And also, you know, you hear stories that we’ve read stories of even guy like there was one of these cases we were looking at where it’s a guy who was in spring break with a bunch of his friends and got separated for a second and Right doesn’t have to just

 

Speaker 1 55:40

be a girl. I guess her friend never got her shorts back.

 

Speaker 2 55:46

That’s your joke.

 

Speaker 1 55:49

Uh, that’s no my wow what what my take? Okay, so I have to take two takeaways too Let’s do oh we could probably edit that up. Uh, we’re not The takeaway well two takeaways. The first takeaway is kim.

 

Speaker 1 56:06

Let’s not do these cases about kids anymore Let’s stick to parents. I mean, uh, you know adults killing each other on vacation. Uh, I like those better Well, I think I’m kidding. I’m kidding

 

Speaker 3 56:18

It’s important, you know? No, no, it fit under the parameter. Because I think it’s good for parents to have these kinds of conversations with their kids, just to be on high alert, to be so in tune with their surroundings.

 

Speaker 3 56:36

Right, okay, so that’s a second takeaway. I mean, look, when I was growing up, because my family was crazy, I mean, I wasn’t allowed out the house. Right, but that’s not vulnerable. No, but I still got the talk.

 

Speaker 3 56:48

I mean, my dad would literally say to me, well, this is what you do. You’re gonna take them and you’re gonna hit them under their chin and you’re gonna grab their crotch. And I mean, just these very, and now I think it’s not such a bad idea.

 

Speaker 3 57:03

No, it’s true. I mean, the other-

 

Speaker 1 57:05

I was just to say the other takeaway is like you can’t get in the car. You have to do everything you can to not They don’t get a stranger’s car But I’m saying fight like if they grab you you have to scream and fight and do everything you know

 

Speaker 2 57:19

You try, but if someone surprises you and they’re stronger, I mean…

 

Speaker 1 57:22

to try to crush the car like you got it you can’t like that it’s not going to end well like they always say like don’t get in the car run away do anything you can to avoid I mean I’m not saying it’s gonna work I’m just saying like that’s what we would teach our kid it’s like you like to your point like your dad said grab their crotch do this poke their eyes anything you can crash the car if you have to

 

Speaker 3 57:42

He’s like, get them under here. This is very under your arm.

 

Speaker 1 57:47

The little flap under her bicep is what she’s feeling.

 

Speaker 3 57:50

TIG YOUR NAIL!

 

Speaker 2 57:51

That’s a good yeah, I mean if it’s a guy go for the balls right right anyone go for their eyes

 

Speaker 1 57:57

slap on their mind. She’s mangled it too. Well, so any takeaway for you, Jerry, Jerry just wants to be taken away. Yeah. Like, please.

 

Speaker 2 58:08

bar maybe a shower like a can we go make a another episode of who smarted like Jesus I just can’t with this case

 

Speaker 1 58:18

I wasn’t a big fan of Myrtle Beach before.

 

Speaker 2 58:21

That’s not I’m kidding. Remember Myrtle Beach is a sponsor of this episode. Oh shit. That’s right. Yeah No, the sponsor of this episode is the spoilsport yacht company

 

Speaker 1 58:35

Wow.

 

Speaker 3 58:36

You died.

 

Speaker 1 58:37

The sponsor is some anti -depressant pills or something, because this is, yeah. All right, Kimmy, you’re the one that thought this would be a fun one. What do you have to say? Any, uh. I think it’s an important.

 

Speaker 3 58:47

Yeah. You do. And you know what? You’re not wrong. I think it’s important to have those conversations with your kids, and it’s true. I think kids don’t really see themselves, they see themselves as infallible, that nothing can happen.

 

Speaker 3 59:06

Right. But I think having the conversation where you talk about safety, where you talk about, you know, things that could happen, what you could potentially do to protect yourself, you know. It is, yeah.

 

Speaker 3 59:23

I mean, at the end of the day, there’s really no way to really prepare yourself or your kid should they find themselves in a situation where they could potentially be harmed.

 

Speaker 1 59:37

That’s yeah, you can’t even imagine you can’t even imagine what that’s like. So I remember I was with my daughter. She was probably Seven or eight and we were in like Times Square area we had to do something and then we stopped in this little restaurant and She sat down at the table and I had to go to the bathroom and I said come with me and she’s like where I go Well, you know come to the bathroom and just stand right outside And like you can either knock on the door or I’ll be able to call out to you But I know you’re there and she was like, I just want to stay at the table and I’m like, no You’re too you’re too young.

 

Speaker 1 01:00:09

I think she was like seven and She wanted to stay at the table and I was like, okay fine I’ll go to the bathroom you stay at the table and I walked away and then I kind of snuck back Behind her and I grabbed her and I put my hand over her mouth and I started to lift her out of the chair And she went oh and then I put her back down and I said just me and then I said see that’s That’s what it would be like if somebody grabbed you you can’t do anything And I could have just run out that side door with you and she’s like, okay, daddy Let’s go to the bathroom and she came with me and she stood outside the bathroom She just knocked on the door the whole time Okay to see how it works and it’s like it’s an insane like, you know I told that story to somebody and they were like you’re an awful parrot you could have traumatized your kid I’m like, you know, I’d be more traumatizing if I you know left her there and something bad happened and you know, there’s monsters In the world.

 

Speaker 1 01:00:57

So okay. Yeah tough case tough case But we’ll be back with a with a with a more fun energetic Upbeat murder next time. No, I don’t know Can’t be worse than this one. Yeah Exactly. We plumb the deaths.

 

Speaker 1 01:01:12

All right. Well, thank you Jerry. Thank you Kim and thank you for listening to use location