Speaker 1 00:00
In 2020, in a small California mountain town, five women disappeared. I found out what happened to all of them, except one. A woman known as Dear, whose estate is worth millions of dollars. I’m Lucy Sherriff.
Speaker 1 00:15
Over the past four years, I’ve spoken with Dear’s family and friends, and I’ve discovered that everyone has a different version of events. Hear the story on Where’s Dear? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.
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The result of a massive volcanic… the result of a mass… the result…
Speaker 6 01:40
Mmm.
Speaker 5 01:44
Coffee! I can’t! I can’t get my act together. Oh my god. Maybe she needs CPR. Thank you.
Speaker 7 01:51
You are short-circuited. You have to stop. You’re killing me.
Speaker 6 01:57
Whoo!
Speaker 4 01:59
You guys ready? And now, it’s time for Slaycation.
Speaker 7 02:16
Pack your body bags. We’re going on a Slaycation. These are murders and mysterious deaths that happen while you’re on vacation. As always, I am your co-host, Adam Tex Davis, and I’m joined by Jerry Culver and my lovely wife, Kim.
Speaker 7 02:32
Hello, guys. I went the other way this time. I went… Yes, you did. That really threw me.
Speaker 5 02:38
How are you guys doing? Hanging in there.
Speaker 7 02:41
All right, very enthusiastic, okay. How are you doing?
Speaker 5 02:46
I’m good, I’m good.
Speaker 7 02:49
Oh, my finger from a couple of weeks ago. Oh my goodness. It hurts today almost as much as it did the day it happened. I don’t know why. Maybe it’s because we’re recording all this in the same day. The other thing is, you know, Kim and I, we recently moved.
Speaker 7 03:10
Oh, really? I hadn’t heard about that. Yeah. And we’ve been complaining about it for a while. But I got to say, it really does suck moving. It sucks so bad. It sucks on both ends because it’s like it sucks on the end where you have to get everything out.
Speaker 7 03:25
You have to sell things, you have to junk things, you have to move things. Then we moved into an apartment, which, by the way, the funniest part is we literally moved one block away and it’s not even one block like, you know, north or… We moved on.
Speaker 7 03:41
We’re still on our same street. We’re just a block further east. And it sounds like we’re in a new block or a new street because it’s a different name, but it’s actually the same exact street.
Speaker 7 03:53
It just happens to change names when you get east of a certain avenue.
Speaker 4 03:56
So is that why you chose to go that direction? So you can change the street name?
Speaker 7 04:00
Yeah. Uh, we want, you know, we want to throw everybody off. I mean, Kim is the queen of the short move. Like, right? Because when we first were dating, she was on 54th Street and then she moved to 45th Street.
Speaker 7 04:12
Okay. Then we moved to another neighborhood. Finally, big move from Sunset Park to Park Slope. Both have “Park” in them though, so it’s not super big. And then we moved eight blocks from there to the last place we were at.
Speaker 7 04:26
And now we’ve moved one block.
Speaker 4 04:29
So your next move will be to the next building.
Speaker 7 04:31
Or downstairs. We’re gonna move to the next, you know, the bottom floor. Oh, your next move.
Speaker 4 04:36
That’s going to be interesting.
Speaker 7 04:38
Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know. After this move though, I don’t know how much more moving I want to be doing. Because it’s brutal. It was brutal. And now our house, it’s like, you know, Kim used to watch the show Hoarders and our house now looks like she was watching that show and thought it was a design show.
Speaker 7 04:58
And she’s like, “I love what they did with the kitchen. Put shoes in the sink.”
Speaker 4 05:06
Crazy. From your face, I know that it’s true. What’s going on? Is it just you guys have too much stuff still? How are you going to deal with that?
Speaker 5 05:17
Yeah, it’s a lot of stuff. It’s kind of overwhelming.
Speaker 7 05:21
We downsized from a bigger place to a smaller place.
Speaker 5 05:24
Except that we haven’t really downsized. We just crammed everything in.
Speaker 4 05:29
You downsized the space, but did you guys get rid of a lot of stuff?
Speaker 5 05:33
We did.
Speaker 7 05:33
We did, but apparently Kim has accrued many things in 18 years.
Speaker 5 05:38
Wait, why is it me? Because I threw stuff out. Oh, and you’re saying I didn’t.
Speaker 4 05:46
I am saying that, and you’re only saying that now because there are other people present. Yes, to prevent violence, right?
Speaker 7 05:56
She’s gonna attack my finger. Aside from my knitting stuff.
Speaker 5 05:59
I don’t know what he’s talking about. The knitting needles. You know what I mean?
Speaker 7 06:02
But it is also, it’s like we don’t have places to store things yet. We have to buy like a pantry and a kitchen island and certain things to put stuff that we have.
Speaker 4 06:13
Is this a complete apartment? Do you need a pantry? Well, there are cabinets.
Speaker 7 06:18
Oh, there are cabinets, okay. Yeah, yeah, there are cabinets, but they’re all filled up now with stuff. So it’s like in our other apartment, we had other places to put things.
Speaker 5 06:22
You guys had a lot of hidey holes in the old place.
Speaker 7 06:25
Exactly.
Speaker 4 06:29
Yeah. Well, listen, I’m glad your move’s going okay. I’m glad your finger is very slowly healing.
Speaker 4 06:35
Very. Yeah. I thought it would be more healed by now, weeks later.
Speaker 4 06:40
Before we get into it, can I read an email we got from one of our Slaycation listeners to our email address? I’m confirming now, info@slaycation.wtf.
Speaker 4 06:55
Right. You can email us anything. We might read it on the air. We definitely will read it in person. Send your emails to info@slaycation.wtf.
Speaker 7 07:05
Or you can just go to our website, slaycation.wtf, and click “Contact Us.” That’s right. Thanks for the email.
Speaker 4 07:11
For those who can’t remember, info@slaycation.wtf. That’s all. Info, not… Yeah, I know. I sound like a real cool guy. What did someone say? This is from Jessica R., who says, “In an honest review, always more Kim.”
Speaker 4 07:27
Aww. I love her. She’s great. I recently stumbled into this podcast like a drunk bachelorette on a bad cruise. I haven’t read this one. This is great.
Speaker 4 07:45
Really? I was pleasantly surprised by the beautiful treasure of this trio and the murders abroad.
Speaker 4 07:51
I am the kind of lady who falls asleep listening to true crime and have heard so many stories over and over again, but the crimes y’all cover are ones I have never heard. I am truly grateful for the knowledge I am obtaining from the show.
Speaker 4 08:00
Also, Kim, I crochet and there is no such thing as yarn hoarding. Preach, girl. Preach. Copious amounts of yarn are necessary for being prepared for a crafter emergency. Absolutely. Keep doing what y’all are doing.
Speaker 4 08:20
Much love to the woman, the husband, and the more-than-tolerable one. Oh, more-than-tolerable. Still not great, but it’s great. Amen. Jessica R. What a great moment. We love you, Jessica R.
Speaker 7 08:37
Thank you. And thank you to everybody on the Slaycation Only group. You guys are hilarious. And yeah, join our Slaycation Only Facebook group or just find us on Facebook. That’s Slaycation. And, uh, let’s get into today’s case, Kim.
Speaker 7 08:52
Where will we be slaycating today?
Speaker 5 08:55
Today, we will be slaycating in beautiful Lake Atitlán, set at just under a mile above sea level and home to the deepest lake in Central America’s Guatemala, reaching a depth of over 1,000 feet. This notable lake was formed about 84,000 years ago, the result of a massive volcanic eruption, creating a bowl-shaped structure that over time would fill with water from rainfall, rivers, underground springs, and precipitation.
Speaker 5 09:33
With Lake Atitlán’s formation through volcanic activity, it likely comes as no surprise that three prominent volcanoes surround this large body of fresh water, with two of the three considered dormant, meaning long periods of inactivity, sometimes thousands of years.
Speaker 5 09:57
But one is still active? Yeah. Volcán Tolimán has no record of having ever erupted, and Volcán San Pedro is said to have stopped erupting around 40,000 years ago.
Speaker 4 10:14
So there’s no lava dripping into the lake all the time?
Speaker 7 10:19
Right. Well, there are three volcanoes, and two of them are dormant.
Speaker 5 10:23
Yes, Volcán Atitlán, like the lake, is the youngest and most active of the three volcanoes, having reportedly erupted more than a dozen times, most recently in 1853.
Speaker 5 10:41
1853? Okay. So it hasn’t erupted in a long time.
Speaker 5 10:45
But it’s still considered an active volcano.
Speaker 7 10:48
Right. Okay.
Speaker 5 11:04
The lake and the surrounding region hold deep cultural and spiritual significance, especially for the indigenous Maya people, who view the lake as a sacred space, a source of life, and a connection to their ancestors.
Speaker 5 11:16
It has been said that the Nahuatl word Atitlán translates to “a place where the rainbow gets its color.”
Speaker 4 11:31
Magical place. When you look at pictures of this place, it’s one of those places that just looks magical, like a lake, a mountain. It’s very beautiful. But then it also has real spiritual significance to an ancient people.
Speaker 4 11:44
Okay, so it’s picturesque, but it’s also a very spiritual place. And it feels like when you hear that, it seems like often when you see places that have deep spiritual significance to ancient civilizations, you can understand why, because they look so majestic.
Speaker 4 11:52
And so there’s the volcano and the water and the sky and the weather.
Speaker 7 11:59
People go vacation there?
Speaker 5 12:04
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 7 12:05
Okay, so is there like hotels and stuff like…?
Speaker 5 12:09
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 12:13
The local Mayans believe, too, that the lake has unique energy fields and mystical healing powers. The connection to nature is a deep one for the locals, and no doubt, that likely brings tourists seeking to have that unique bond with spirit and nature.
Speaker 5 12:24
Does it cost extra?
Speaker 4 12:26
Yeah, it’s a pretty sure bet that any time ancient people believe their spiritual place has ancient healing powers, white people from America will come there to experience the ancient rituals.
Speaker 7 12:44
And is it only going to be white people? Because it just is.
Speaker 5 12:53
I don’t know. I don’t know if I would.
Speaker 7 12:55
Really? Because you feel like you’re encroaching on their spiritual stuff or because…
Speaker 5 13:06
Too many white people.
Speaker 7 13:07
Oh, you guys, no. I don’t know. I just don’t know that it’s the place for me. No, I think I would like the place. I don’t know. I’m just not a jet-setter that way. I don’t feel like I want to get on a plane and go to a foreign country and go to wildernessy places.
Speaker 5 13:28
It’s too wildernessy for me. And also, if it’s not my… if I don’t speak the language, I would just be nervous and anxious.
Speaker 7 13:37
Right, as opposed to now where you’re nervous and anxious at home.
Speaker 5 13:41
Correct. But I know what that’s like.
Speaker 4 13:43
I think you would. I know you don’t like to travel in that way, but I do think if you went somewhere and arrived, you would enjoy it.
Speaker 7 13:52
You know what? Kim would prefer vacations where you could just snap and be there. She would do it. If you have to actually travel there and go through all the machinations of getting there, I think that makes her very nervous.
Speaker 5 14:04
Same way.
Speaker 7 14:05
Yeah, I’m the same way.
Speaker 4 14:07
You don’t love travel, but you travel well.
Speaker 7 14:10
Yeah. So this place is a magical, spiritual place, but it is a tourist destination.
Speaker 4 14:15
It’s a tourist destination, primarily for, if you want to call it spiritual tourism. So it’s a lot of yoga retreats.
Speaker 5 14:22
A better place to do a yoga retreat.
Speaker 7 14:26
Yeah, or… No, but it’s like more yoga.
Speaker 4 14:29
It’s not an area that’s known for its knitting retreats, no.
Speaker 7 14:33
No, that would be our bedroom, right?
Speaker 4 14:36
So wait, what would you call it like, “I’m going to…”
Speaker 5 14:40
Oh, it’s Lake Atitlán. Lake Atitlán. Okay. In Guatemala.
Speaker 4 14:46
It’s very… It’s one of these places, like tons of American yoga studios will organize retreats or famous yoga teachers will organize retreats where you go. And it’s just the whole ecosystem.
Speaker 4 15:01
You get there, there are resorts that cater to yoga, eco-resorts. The food’s local and healthy. You do yoga, you meditate. It sounds really nice.
Speaker 5 15:19
Okay.
Speaker 5 15:19
Lake Atitlán plays host to numerous nature-filled yoga getaways, like Jerry was saying, from a four-day quick mindfulness and wellness retreat to a two-week yoga and Spanish immersion retreat.
Speaker 7 15:36
Are there different types of accommodations? Do you live in little bungalows on the lake, or do you stay in cabins, or is it more like five-star hotels?
Speaker 5 15:47
It runs the gamut. There are everything from simple, rustic bungalows to more upscale resorts, but nothing that’s like a giant hotel or anything. It’s all fairly modest and integrated into the natural surroundings.
Speaker 7 16:07
I’m happy to hear that.
Speaker 5 16:09
These retreats offer an opportunity to unplug and also, as Jerry mentioned, a broad range of activities besides yoga, including hiking, dancing, swimming, just to name a few. It’s a well-rounded experience.
Speaker 7 16:24
Okay, so we’ve set the scene beautifully over the course of the last 45 minutes. Now, let’s find out what happens at this beautiful, spiritual place.
Speaker 5 16:41
Nancy Eng was the oldest of four children, born under the sun sign of Cancer on June 28, 1994. This bright and vivacious, and from all reports very personable 29-year-old was known for her kind heart and big smile.
Speaker 5 17:07
She loved to hike, travel, and was a big yoga enthusiast. Nancy had been taking classes at a place called Hot 8 Yoga, which offers a variety of yoga disciplines from Hatha Yoga, with its broad and gentle approach focusing on breath work and body alignment, to Bikram Yoga, which is performed in a heated room and centers on strength, flexibility, sweating, and detoxification.
Speaker 5 17:44
Have you ever done yoga, Sherry?
Speaker 4 17:47
Yes. I’ve done Bikram and also practiced Ashtanga for a while, which is a very set series of poses. I loved it.
Speaker 5 17:57
Do you have a favorite?
Speaker 4 17:58
My favorite is Ashtanga, but it’s the most demanding in terms of consistency. Ideally, you do it every day for like 30 minutes to an hour. When I was practicing regularly, I felt calmer, more mindful, and my body felt great.
Speaker 5 18:23
I’ve done Bikram Yoga, but these days I do no-gas.
Speaker 7 18:26
Oh god, why is it always in a hot room?
Speaker 4 18:29
You just sweat like crazy. So, you did Bikram? Did you like it?
Speaker 5 18:34
I did. I liked it a lot, actually. It was very exhausting, but you felt great afterwards, like you really detoxed.
Speaker 4 18:44
Yeah, you sweat like crazy.
Speaker 5 18:47
So, an instructor and friend of Nancy, a gentleman named Eddie Romada, had told Nancy about an upcoming retreat he was organizing, and she was in. It made sense that the free-spirited young woman would combine two things she loved—traveling and yoga.
Speaker 5 19:11
This provided the perfect opportunity to do just that. Nancy was from San Bernardino, California, and so she would embark on her very first retreat with Be the Change, the organization behind the event. It would take place in Guatemala, at Lake Atitlán, in October of 2022.
Speaker 5 19:40
Oh, wow. So, this just happened?
Speaker 7 19:53
Yeah, so she did it in 2022, and then she went back in 2023.
Speaker 5 19:59
Oh, wow. Yeah, not even a year ago.
Speaker 4 20:02
Yeah. So, in October 2023, she went on her second retreat with Eddie to Lake Atitlán.
Speaker 5 20:09
She boarded a plane for Guatemala with great anticipation for the week-long yoga retreat. She was looking forward to viewing the sunrise over the lake and another chance to enhance her overall well-being and spiritual growth.
Speaker 4 20:26
I do want to say something about Eddie Romada, the guy organizing this retreat. To attract people to a yoga retreat, where they’re spending thousands of dollars and placing themselves under your care, you have to be a particular kind of teacher.
Speaker 4 20:45
It’s not just about leading a class; it’s about having a certain charisma and approach. You’re not just teaching yoga like at a gym. You’re creating a unique experience, which can feel almost like a mentorship or spiritual guidance.
Speaker 5 21:13
More like a guru-student relationship, rather than a cult leader dynamic.
Speaker 4 21:20
Exactly. It’s that kind of teacher who inspires devotion. If the ego of the teacher starts to overshadow their role, that’s when it can lead to problematic situations, like cult behavior. But that doesn’t seem to be the case here.
Speaker 5 22:27
No, I didn’t get that vibe either.
Speaker 4 22:29
I’ve looked into his background, and he’s still an active teacher. It’s hard to judge people like this without spending time with them, but I haven’t seen any signs of cult-like behavior.
Speaker 7 22:47
Right. You need to be a bit of a showman, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a cult leader.
Speaker 4 23:00
Exactly. It’s important to keep in mind that Eddie Romada was well-regarded as a teacher, and Nancy was very close to him—though just as a friend and mentor, not in any inappropriate way.
Speaker 5 23:11
Got it. So, it’s important to understand that the relationship between Nancy and Eddie was one of respect and friendship, rooted in their shared interests in yoga and spiritual growth.
Speaker 7 23:23
I mean, they’re all adults, just going to a place to do yoga.
Speaker 4 23:27
Right. It’s not just about doing yoga; it’s about going on a deeper, more immersive experience, like attending a weight loss camp versus just dieting at home. It’s a more intense and focused retreat.
Speaker 4 23:59
It’s not just about the yoga class. It’s a deep dive into meditation, reflecting on the meaning of life and your place in the universe, while also connecting with nature and having fun. It’s a whole reset experience for people. It’s a chance to unplug from everyday stress, something more profound than just a typical yoga session.
Speaker 4 24:13
Nancy, being a special needs teacher with a demanding job, found the October 2022 retreat incredibly grounding and meaningful. So, when the opportunity came to do it again in 2023, she was all in.
Speaker 7 24:49
I’m all in.
Speaker 5 24:50
Exactly. So, on October 14th, 2023, they arrived at the all-inclusive retreat hosted at the Hotel Isla Verde Atitlán. This elegantly rustic space, boasting rooms with stunning views, is described as an eco-chic boutique hotel nestled in the hillside of a local village in the Guatemalan Highlands.
Speaker 5 25:25
The hotel set the perfect mood for a week of yoga and relaxation. And, not to forget, there was also a sauna and hot tub available, which added to the relaxation experience.
Speaker 7 25:42
Right, it sounds a bit like those luxury dating shows, but way more refined.
Speaker 4 25:47
Oh, like MILF Manor? Is that a show?
Speaker 4 25:59
No, MILF Manor isn’t a real show, but Love Island is. I remember that one. They changed the rules every week. It was like a bizarre game show.
Speaker 7 26:08
And HBO has a show called F-Boy Island. It’s a thing.
Speaker 5 26:23
Anyway, let’s reel it back in. This isn’t one of those shows. The Be the Change Retreat is a legitimate, meaningful retreat where people go for a genuine experience.
Speaker 5 26:36
The itinerary starts early with yoga and meditation, followed by a breakfast of smoothies, yogurt, and granola.
Speaker 4 26:45
You should really go on one of these retreats!
Speaker 7 26:48
It sounds a lot like what you do at home!
Speaker 4 26:50
You’ve got it down!
Speaker 5 26:55
It’s common for retreats to host a silent breakfast, where participants eat without talking.
Speaker 4 27:02
That’s where your home yoga experience ends!
Speaker 5 27:07
Never!
Speaker 7 27:11
Not in this lifetime!
Speaker 5 27:15
It does sound restorative, though. So, how many people were in the retreat?
Speaker 7 27:20
There were ten people total, including Eddie, the teacher.
Speaker 4 27:23
Yes, a total of ten people.
Speaker 7 27:28
What about Eddie’s ego?
Speaker 4 27:31
It’s all part of the package with Eddie.
Speaker 5 27:33
With a variety of activities planned, Nancy was particularly excited about the day’s activity centered around the lake. Along with her fellow participants, she headed out for the scheduled activity of the day: kayaking.
Speaker 7 28:00
We’ve done some kayaking before.
Speaker 4 28:05
This was the fifth day of the retreat, October 19th. They had spent previous days doing yoga, meditating, and bonding. This kayaking trip was a special outing arranged by Eddie.
Speaker 4 28:19
Lake Atitlán is very cool and deep, with a rich history.
Speaker 7 28:27
Yes, very deep and ancient.
Speaker 5 28:31
The group rented their kayaks, and there’s even a video of Nancy happily waving from her kayak. They spent some time on the water, going back and forth, and then many returned to relax in the jacuzzi, enjoying the lake’s view.
Speaker 5 29:03
But there were still two kayakers who hadn’t returned.
Speaker 7 29:08
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Speaker 1 30:40
In 2020, in a small California mountain town, five women disappeared. I found out what happened to all of them, except one. A woman known as Dear, whose estate is worth millions of dollars. I’m Lucy Sheriff.
Speaker 1 30:55
Over the past four years, I’ve spoken with Dear’s family and friends, and I’ve discovered that everyone has a different version of events. Hear the story on Where’s Dear? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.
Speaker 7 31:15
All right, we’re back. But two people are not back. From the kayak excursion. Right. So let me guess. Nancy and Eddie.
Speaker 5 31:32
Actually, no. Nancy and Christina.
Speaker 7 31:35
Oh, right. So, two kayakers haven’t returned. A distress signal goes out, and eventually, a lone kayaker returns to shore. That kayaker is Christina Blazik.
Speaker 5 31:56
Christina was reportedly met by Eddie, Nancy’s teacher and friend, who whisked the visibly upset Christina away. But Nancy was still missing.
Speaker 4 32:19
There was no sign of Nancy.
Speaker 7 32:21
Okay, so everyone comes back except for two people. Then one person returns, visibly upset, and Nancy is still missing. Was there a set time for everyone to return?
Speaker 5 32:35
Everyone should have returned by now. This is a very recent case—it hasn’t even been a year.
Speaker 7 32:41
So, Nancy is missing. Do we know why Christina was so upset?
Speaker 5 33:01
Christina stated that Nancy had decided to go for a swim while they were on the lake. Christina said that Nancy just disappeared, and it seemed like she drowned.
Speaker 5 33:26
Oh.
Speaker 7 33:27
And they were wearing life vests?
Speaker 5 33:32
No, they weren’t. And that’s a major issue. The kayaking excursion was an unannounced special activity. The group rented kayaks from a company called Kayak Guatemala, but the staff didn’t provide life vests.
Speaker 4 33:50
One participant specifically asked if life vests were needed, but due to a language barrier, the question went unanswered. So, they went out without life vests, and there was no safety briefing.
Speaker 7 34:10
A yoga mat is not a flotation device.
Speaker 4 34:15
Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 34:18
When interviewed, Elaine and Lee Beal, who ran the kayak operation, claimed they offered life jackets, but everyone declined.
Speaker 4 34:34
Elaine and Lee Beal’s version conflicts with the group’s account. The group says Elaine and Lee weren’t there—Lee was out of the country, and Elaine was at home. Locals were running the kayak checkout.
Speaker 7 35:04
Could there have been a language barrier with the life jackets?
Speaker 4 35:08
That’s a possibility. But life jackets aren’t a choice; they’re a necessity for kayaking.
Speaker 5 35:21
The participant who asked about life jackets was given kayaks and paddleboards, but no one was given life jackets. Nancy was seen in her kayak, smiling and waving before she disappeared.
Speaker 4 36:08
Christina, who had been paired with Nancy for some activities, said Nancy decided to swim despite warnings about the currents. Christina claims she told Nancy not to swim, but Nancy went in anyway.
Speaker 5 36:34
Christina mentioned this information through her lawyer but not to investigators until she was back home. This delay in sharing information, combined with her refusal to speak with Nancy’s family, raised suspicion.
Speaker 7 37:11
Could this just be a horrible accident that Christina is traumatized by?
Speaker 5 37:17
Yes, it could be.
Speaker 4 37:23
However, the lack of transparency and the behavior of those involved are raising questions. If you’re Eddie, running this retreat and trusted by the participants, what do you do next when someone is missing?
Speaker 7 38:19
What time is lunch? Just kidding. I’d probably organize a search or get help immediately, like contacting authorities, getting a speedboat, or helicopter if available.
Speaker 4 38:36
You’d initiate a search effort.
Speaker 5 38:40
That’s not what happened initially. Christina was whisked away, and the hotel was informed of the situation. The hotel, in turn, contacted the authorities.
Speaker 7 39:13
Why not inform the kayak company directly?
Speaker 5 39:16
The hotel didn’t realize something was wrong until the next day when they noticed a kayak was missing.
Speaker 7 39:27
So the hotel didn’t count how many kayaks went out and came back?
Speaker 4 39:30
Typically, kayak companies should track the number of kayaks out and back. But this didn’t happen, and the normal protocol wasn’t followed.
Speaker 7 39:43
The group went back to the hotel, and no search was conducted initially. The hotel conducted a preliminary search for about 72 hours before stopping.
Speaker 5 40:56
Eddie and the retreat group had no involvement in this search. They packed up and left the very next day, even though Eddie was supposed to stay a couple of days longer.
Speaker 7 41:18
That’s strange. The visibly upset Christina returned, and no one asked her about what happened?
Speaker 5 41:31
No, not immediately. There was no clarity on what Christina said. Eddie and Christina did not speak to anyone about the incident.
Speaker 5 41:42
This led to increased suspicion from Nancy’s family. The silence and behavior of those involved made them question whether there was foul play.
Speaker 4 42:19
Elaine Beal, who saw Christina return alone, noted how upset Christina was. Elaine said that Eddie whisked Christina away, and no one informed them about the missing person.
Speaker 7 42:51
So, in a crisis, people can react in various ways. Some handle it well, others don’t. It’s odd that no one actively tried to locate Nancy or provided clear information.
Speaker 4 43:39
Elaine, knowing the area well, could have been a key person to help search or provide information. Instead, Christina and Eddie’s lack of transparency left many questions unanswered.
Speaker 7: 43:58
Tell Eddie and then Eddie translates that to the one why why they hustle off and not we don’t know.
Speaker 5: 44:04
Okay, and that’s where it gets murky, right? Because there’s no concrete understanding of the silence from the family. So Nancy’s sister Nikki and Nancy’s brother Jonathan had been very involved in speaking out about what has happened to their sister and how they have not been getting answers. They had tried to reach out to Eddie and Christina just to find out more, and they’ve just met with roadblock after roadblock.
Speaker 4: 44:53
Christina is an attorney; she’s a public defender. So, she lawyered up right away, and her lawyer said she’s not speaking because she was so traumatized by this event.
Speaker 4: 45:10
Okay, but the family’s like, “Fuck you.” No, of course. You’re traumatized? Right. It’s our daughter, our sister. Okay, fine, you’re traumatized. We’re trying to find our family member.
Speaker 4: 45:23
The lack of willingness to be open is strange. I mean, there are pictures of Nancy and Christina arm in arm. And the other interesting thing is, Christina at one point tried to say, “Oh, I didn’t really know her, but when I started talking to her on the lake that day, we kind of bonded and started kayaking together.”
Speaker 4: 45:44
But there are plenty of photos of them hanging out. They were together on this small retreat for a week, so it’s odd to see this discrepancy.
Speaker 7: 45:53
I guess. I mean, you could look at it like I’ve gone to hockey camp and become buddies with someone there, but you don’t really know them. You’re not like friends or whatever. Is there any reason to think that there was foul play? Because there is no concrete evidence.
Speaker 5: 46:10
The thing is, my understanding is that, and even the family, from the onset, accepted that this was a tragic accident, but they’re befuddled by everyone’s behavior. I mean, they’re like, “What is going on? Why are you not speaking to us? Why are you lawyering up? If this wasn’t foul play, why do you need a lawyer just to say, ‘Oh, she jumped in, she drowned, I tried to help’?”
Speaker 7: 46:46
I don’t know. Maybe she feels like she’s going to get blamed. As the last person to see her alive, maybe she felt that way.
Speaker 5: 46:58
The Guatemalan Navy had conducted a search, but their protocol is to start the search after 72 hours. So the family has now taken it upon themselves to conduct a more extensive, private search.
Speaker 7: 47:23
Okay, right. So they’re just trying to find a body at this point. Is there anything like a little island or something? Like, there’s no way she could have survived out there for long. There’s no hope of finding her alive, is what I’m saying.
Speaker 5: 47:40
One would not think so. I mean, as I find out, Kyle?
Speaker 4: 47:43
Yes.
Speaker 5: 47:47
I had heard her sister in an interview essentially share the story of her dad, that her dad keeps his phone near because he’s actually hoping for a ransom call.
Speaker 7: 48:00
Oh, wow. Could there have been other people on the lake or like, are there other boats? Are there bigger boats? Are there speedboats?
Speaker 5: 48:08
That’s the thing. From what I understand, no. But what I also understand is that everybody who could provide any information has remained silent and very close to the vest about anything they know.
Speaker 5: 48:26
Gotcha. And it’s not really clear why.
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Speaker 7: 49:56
All right, we’re back. Talk to me about Eddie. He seems to be a central character in this.
Speaker 4: 50:04
Well, he is because this is his retreat. So, even if Christina was like, “I’m scared, I don’t want to be accused of something I didn’t do,” his job is to, he’s been trusted by these people.
Speaker 4: 50:19
You could almost say his job is to take care of everyone, including this missing person. He worked at this yoga studio called Hot 8 Yoga. And, you know, when you start going down, I will also say for our sleuth haters, this is a case because it’s so new.
Speaker 4: 50:39
It’s not even a year old. There’s a lot going on on TikTok.
Speaker 5: 50:46
Literally, just watch TikToks on what happened about him.
Speaker 4: 50:52
Or about all of it. People are actually sleuthing. For instance, there’s a guy named Ed Shoy, who’s on Instagram and TikTok. He’s worth looking at, called Etch-A-Sketch on both, E-T-C-H-A-S-K-E-J.
Speaker 4: 51:11
He pointed out that it was suspicious that these guys all left Guatemala the next day. And that’s when their tickets were planned for because it looked like the retreat was supposed to go longer.
Speaker 7: 51:25
This is like Shanquella Robinson where all the friends disappeared and no one wants to be left holding the bag.
Speaker 4: 51:35
Yes.
Speaker 7: 51:37
I mean, you know, it’s like, holy shit.
Speaker 4: 51:40
It’s interesting because with the internet and TikTok and folks like Ed Choi, who are like, “I don’t buy any of this shit,” Ed Choi was suspicious about the tickets. He called it out on TikTok.
Speaker 4: 51:54
Eddie Ramada then replied with a screenshot of his United Airlines ticket showing the confirmation code and the dates. But Ed Choi had his friend at United Airlines pull up the entire history of the ticket, which showed it was changed from leaving on the 22nd to the 20th, the night after Nancy went missing.
Speaker 4: 52:18
So, Eddie Ramada hasn’t done anything to help himself look better. Whether he’s just trying to cover up the fact that he was trying to escape a bad situation or not, he hasn’t been honest about much and has shut down almost all of his socials.
Speaker 5: 52:50
And when talking with the family, he said that all the answers they need would be in the police report. He kept distancing himself, saying, “I wasn’t there, I wasn’t there.” Apparently, when the family received the police report, they expected to see a statement from Christina, which was not included.
Speaker 5: 53:18
You would figure there would be a statement from the last person to see her. My understanding is that she did give a statement, but for some reason, it wasn’t in the report.
Speaker 7: 53:35
That’s weird. I’m getting the impression that Eddie is like this ding-dong who, you know, he’s just… Let me see Eddie. Yeah, let me see Eddie. He looks like a Hollywood actor who didn’t get the parts and then started playing one at home.
Speaker 7: 53:58
Yeah. He’s very coiffed and manscaped, and I think he’s a ding-dong who is playing this guru role, and when things went wrong, he doesn’t know how to handle it and is just trying to cover his ass and get out of there.
Speaker 5: 54:21
What do you think, though? Why would Christina not just…
Speaker 4: 54:27
Maybe she doesn’t know. I don’t know. But she’s a public defender from San Bernardino, so if there’s anyone in this story who knows how to deal with law enforcement, even if it’s in another country, it’s her.
Speaker 5: 54:41
That’s her job. And also, as the last person to see what happened or to offer some insight, she has made a very conscientious decision not to be helpful.
Speaker 7: 55:00
Okay. But she did eventually make a statement.
Speaker 5: 55:04
She did. She made it through her attorney.
Speaker 7: 55:08
What was her final word on this? Like, what was her official statement?
Speaker 4: 55:14
I want to say before I read the statement, I want to be clear that there’s no presumption of guilt just because she lawyered up and didn’t talk to anyone. It really could be that she’s just very cautious about discussing this without a lawyer, especially if she’s worried about being blamed for something she didn’t do.
Speaker 5: 55:34
As a lawyer, especially a public defender, I can understand that.
Speaker 7: 55:40
She sees people getting wrongly charged and doesn’t want another innocent person to be accused of something, especially if it’s her.
Speaker 4: 55:47
So, her statement’s interesting. She says that she and Nancy went further out when everyone else was headed back. Nancy wanted to go for a swim, and Christina advised against it because of the currents.
Speaker 4: 56:02
Nancy jumped out of her kayak and started struggling. Christina says she then went to grab Nancy’s kayak, putting one leg in it.
Speaker 7: 56:15
So Nancy could grab it.
Speaker 4: 56:17
She didn’t say that specifically, but let’s assume that’s what she was doing. Then she said she turned around and Nancy was gone. She let go of Nancy’s kayak and went back to shore.
Speaker 4: 56:32
It’s interesting. The things that are odd about the statement are why chase her kayak instead of extending your kayak paddle to her?
Speaker 7: 56:47
Well, if Nancy’s near her kayak and can’t grab it because it’s drifting away, holding onto the kayak so Nancy can grab it makes sense. I mean, as an inexperienced kayaker, trying to pull someone out of the water could capsize you.
Speaker 7: 57:02
I can think of a couple of reasons why you might want Nancy to grab her own kayak instead of reaching over or trying to help from your own kayak. Maybe she’s thinking these currents are bad and doesn’t want to get in the water.
Speaker 7: 57:15
But she’s not wearing a life vest. We believe she jumped in, or do we think she was shoved or something? I mean, there’s no clear motive or reason, right?
Speaker 4: 57:40
No, the only thing you’ll find, as you go down this rabbit hole, is that because Christina and Eddie have been so unhelpful, people are coming up with theories.
Speaker 4: 57:56
So you start to see theories like, was this some sort of cult, and Nancy was going to speak out about it? But at that point, you’re going so far off the rails that it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: 58:09
It doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Speaker 7: 58:10
And it’s like the only thing, you know, is a romantic angle—Christina loves Eddie.
Speaker 5: 58:15
I didn’t get any sense of that. In fact, if all this bizarre behavior hadn’t taken place, I think it would have just been accepted as an ex situation. Nancy’s sister, Nicky, and brother Jonathan wrote an email to Christina, starting by identifying themselves as Nancy’s siblings.
Speaker 5: 58:44
They said, “We are Nancy’s sister and brother. We received your information from some guests at the hotel. As you can imagine, the days since Nancy’s disappearance have been incredibly painful and difficult. We understand that you were with her on the water and would like to extend our sympathy for the traumatic experience you must have endured.
Speaker 5: 59:06
We have search and rescue teams currently deployed looking for Nancy. Unfortunately, their efforts have been challenged by weather conditions and incomplete information. We are reaching out in the hopes that you might have information that will greatly aid in our search.
Speaker 5: 59:26
Will you please tell us what you saw during the incident? We understand how difficult it is to revisit such a traumatic event, but our family needs as much information as possible to find Nancy. Please don’t hesitate to reach out.
Speaker 5: 59:42
We hope to hear from you soon. Thanks, Nicky and Jonathan.”
Speaker 7: 59:48
Oh, that is such a beautifully written letter and it gives Christina every possible benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 5: 59:58
So, when she doesn’t respond, on October 31st, they send a follow-up email. The second email reads: “Hey Christina, it’s Nicky and Jonathan again. We have attempted to contact you on prior occasions to request that you speak on the facts of my sister’s disappearance, and you have failed to reply. This raises suspicion, not only with me but with my family and friends, that you may be hiding something. While we can have compassion for what may have been a traumatic event, we cannot understand why you will not voluntarily speak with us.
Speaker 5: 01:00:17
It’s been nearly two weeks since our sister has gone missing, and we are desperate to get the answers that we need in order to find her. We encourage you to contact us so that we might get a full explanation of what you saw or heard leading up to the events of Nancy’s disappearance.
Speaker 5: 01:00:37
Please help us to understand what happened and bring Nancy home. If you fail to cooperate, we will pursue the matter further.”
Speaker 5: 01:00:57
So that was the second email. Surely that one got a response.
Speaker 5: 01:01:11
Yes, and that’s when the lawyer stepped in.
Speaker 7: 01:01:24
Unfortunately, I can see that.
Speaker 4: 01:01:26
I wouldn’t say it’s a threat. To me, a threat is when you say, “I’m going to do X to you.” To me, saying, “You owe us information, and if you don’t give it to us the nice way, we’ll pursue it another way,” is not quite a threat.
Speaker 4: 01:01:42
Exactly.
Speaker 7: 01:01:44
Right, but that’s still an implied threat of sorts.
Speaker 5: 01:01:48
Isn’t speaking with her and having her what makes for a comprehensive investigation?
Speaker 7: 01:01:58
Yeah, it shouldn’t have to come from the family. It should come from the authorities.
Speaker 4: 01:02:02
Well, what’s interesting is that because she waited a month to give her statement, and because Eddie really didn’t speak about it at all, it’s created a giant cloud of suspicion over the whole case. There are only two explanations for why they behaved the way they did.
Speaker 4: 01:02:18
Number one, something happened and they’re hiding something they are culpable in, or number two, they’re really bad people who don’t want to be helpful. To a family who has lost a relative, there’s no other way to put it. If you’re the last person to see someone alive, and they drowned, then just say it.
Speaker 4: 01:02:49
You’re worried, you’re trying to cover your own skin, but what is it that you’re covering?
Speaker 5: 01:02:51
What could she be covering if she’s just there and says, “Oh my God, she jumped in”?
Speaker 4: 01:02:58
Yeah, you witnessed a tragic accident. Why not just say that? You’d really have to be a reptilian to not have a conversation about it.
Speaker 5: 01:03:10
And for the lawyers who’ve advised us, we’re not saying that’s true about anyone involved in this case. We’re just speculating.
Speaker 7: 01:03:23
I hate to say it, though. It’s one of those things where, as a public defender, she’s probably seen people get railroaded and unfairly charged. Maybe she’s thinking that if she speaks, she might slip up, say something stupid, or get caught in a contradiction.
Speaker 4: 01:03:38
In the moment, no. There’s a person who might still be alive. Instead of saying, “Let’s get out there and search,” well, unless she saw this woman drown. If she saw her actually drown, then I understand the reluctance to speak without a lawyer.
Speaker 4: 01:04:09
But she fled the country and was back in California the next day. This family is begging for anything. I get it. Take a day or two or three, but a month to say anything and then to say it through a lawyer…
Speaker 7: 01:04:27
Look, this person is not thinking of those other people. I don’t know if it’s because they’re incapable of that or if they just chose not to. They might be thinking, “This person is dead, they’re not coming back,” and maybe they think there’s nothing they can offer other than to say, “Yes, I saw this thing.”
Speaker 7: 01:04:42
They’re not coming back. And maybe they’re thinking there’s nothing they can offer, other than to say, “Yeah, I saw this thing.” Eventually, she did give a statement, but even what she said doesn’t make a lot of sense. Eddie at least makes sense in that he could be exposed to a lawsuit.
Speaker 4: 01:05:08
Sure. Eddie is definitely more at risk because he was a participant.
Speaker 7: 01:05:19
Yeah. Eddie doesn’t look like a shrewd guy. He seems like someone who uses his charisma—he’s good-looking and gets people excited about his yoga and excursions.
Speaker 7: 01:05:35
Maybe he’s thinking half of, “I don’t want to get sued,” and the other half is, “I don’t know what the heck to do.”
Speaker 5: 01:05:51
I know that Nancy’s sister asked Eddie if he would hang back and help with the investigation, but he wasn’t interested. In fact, the prosecutor had gone to interview them, and they had already left—Christina and Eddie.
Speaker 7: 01:06:16
It’s like the Shonquillo Williams case—outside the jurisdiction of the states.
Speaker 4: 01:06:19
Exactly. There’s a guy named Chris Sharp. He’s a helicopter pilot with a company called Black Wolf Helicopters.
Speaker 4: 01:06:33
He’s one of those guys you want if you need something found. He’s no-nonsense, knows how to search, and has a military background. He’s a badass.
Speaker 7: 01:06:47
How is there not a show about him on Discovery?
Speaker 4: 01:06:49
There might be. Maybe it’s called Black Wolf. They hired him to search the lake, which is very deep in parts. They brought in divers, drones, and helicopters, but he couldn’t find anything.
Speaker 4: 01:07:12
He actually said, “At this point, I’m starting to question if Nancy even really went kayaking at the lake at all.” They used the location where the kayak was found to triangulate the paddles and estimate where she might have been and where the currents would have taken her. He found this unprecedented.
Speaker 4: 01:07:33
It’s not open water. It’s deep, but it’s a lake, not an ocean. He has some questions. The other interesting thing is that the paddles they found—did you see the photos?
Speaker 4: 01:07:57
They only found the bottom parts of the paddles. The top parts were taken into evidence, which is part of the active investigation. We don’t know why.
Speaker 7: 01:08:11
The idea is that if you jump into the water, your paddles would likely still be in the kayak.
Speaker 4: 01:08:18
Yes, paddles should be in the kayak.
Speaker 7: 01:08:19
You wouldn’t just throw them into the water like you’re tossing drumsticks at a concert. If they weren’t in the kayak, that would be weird.
Speaker 4: 01:08:25
So why are they in the water? It’s a good question. Could you have been sacrificed to the volcano?
Speaker 4: 01:08:37
Yeah, I’ve seen Joe Versus the Volcano. I know how that goes.
Speaker 7: 01:08:40
It hasn’t erupted since the 1860s or 50s, though.
Speaker 5: 01:08:43
Well, her family is still searching. They have a GoFundMe page and social media accounts—“Help Us Find Nancy” on Instagram.
Speaker 7: 01:08:56
This case is still unfolding. Alright, we’ll be back after a quick break and a word from our sponsor with some wrap-up and final thoughts.
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Speaker 7: 01:10:42
And we’re back. This is a real head-scratcher. So, yeah, this Eddie character—I’ll say this: I feel like these gurus and yoga masters, or whatever you want to call them, are given a little too much power.
Speaker 7: 01:11:01
It’s like, I officiated a wedding, and all I had to do was sign a document, send in a check, and I got an official officiant certificate in the mail. I told my mom I was going to officiate a wedding, and she asked, “How do you get to do that?”
Speaker 7: 01:11:17
And I said, “Do you think officiants have special powers? They’re just people who signed a document or took a course. There’s nothing magical about it.”
Speaker 7: 01:11:30
We give too much credence to these people as if they’re special beings among us.
Speaker 5: 01:11:46
Yeah, people have a way of extolling—
Speaker 7: 01:11:50
A little too much.
Speaker 5: 01:11:50
Exactly. Just a person.
Speaker 7: 01:11:54
So, it’s interesting with Eddie. Could he have coerced Christina into being silent? Could he have been pulling the strings once he realized he might be going down for this?
Speaker 4: 01:12:07
Yeah, it’s an interesting theory. For those interested in diving deep into this, check out TikTok and Reddit. There’s a lot of discussion there.
Speaker 4: 01:12:20
You’ll find theories and allegations that might be worth exploring. Some people suggest Eddie could have made a deal with Christina to keep her silent or say something specific. Others speculate that drugs might be involved, with Nancy not using them but others possibly being impaired.
Speaker 4: 01:12:59
These are all uncorroborated allegations and theories, given the lack of timely information from Christina and Eddie.
Speaker 7: 01:13:16
Tim, do you think this case is closed, or could there be more shocking revelations?
Speaker 5: 01:13:24
I’m one to never say never. Who knows? I hope the family finds some resolution and closure. I encourage people to donate to the GoFundMe or share it to help them.
Speaker 7: 01:14:02
What’s your takeaway?
Speaker 4: 01:14:02
The obvious one for me: No matter where you are, don’t get into a water vessel without a life jacket. Period. That’s it.
Speaker 7: 01:14:15
Mine too. I’m wearing a life jacket right now, and we’re in a podcast studio.
Speaker 4: 01:14:21
You never know.
Speaker 7: 01:14:35
Kim, do you think this was foul play, or was it just a tragic accident with people trying to cover their tracks?
Speaker 5: 01:14:35
From an investigative perspective, I’d look at motive. There doesn’t seem to be one. So my inclination is that it was a tragic accident. Maybe Nancy decided to go for a swim in a beautiful body of water, and the rest were just trying to cover their tracks.
Speaker 5: 01:15:16
That’s what I think. What do you guys think?
Speaker 7: 01:15:19
I agree with you, Kim, unless they uncover something that suggests a cult-like situation with Eddie as a leader. If there’s any indication of that, or if there’s evidence of jealousy or other motives, it could change things.
Speaker 5: 01:15:47
I haven’t come across anything like that yet.
Speaker 7: 01:15:49
I’m just saying, if evidence comes to light, like texts or anything that suggests cult dynamics, it could shift the perspective.
Speaker 7: 01:16:01
But for now, I believe what you’re saying, Kim, unless something concrete surfaces.
Speaker 5: 01:16:08
This incident is still very recent, less than a year old. There’s a lot that could still come to light.
Speaker 7: 01:16:15
We will. Christina is still taking yoga and hot yoga.
Speaker 4: 01:16:19
Well, Tony, Eddie went right back to teaching. When people asked him how the trip was, he said it was great.
Speaker 7: 01:16:26
Weird. Yeah, just one hiccup, one little hiccup.
Speaker 4: 01:16:29
Yeah, one little hiccup. It’s wild. My feeling on this one is that it was an accident, but I don’t think Christina is being completely honest about what happened.
Speaker 4: 01:16:45
I suspect something happened on the lake that involved her more than she’s admitting, which led to Nancy’s demise.
Speaker 5: 01:16:52
You think she might have played a role in what happened?
Speaker 4: 01:16:55
Not necessarily facilitating it, but being involved in a way she’s not disclosing. It took too long for her to come up with a statement. A month is a long time, even for an attorney to draft something. But who knows? We don’t have all the facts.
Speaker 5: 01:17:18
Yeah, what do you think, listeners? I’m curious to know.
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Speaker 7: 01:17:46
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Speaker 5: 01:17:51
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