Speaker 1 00:00
listening for jokes, you could just turn it off because there will be none.
Speaker 2 00:05
Fort Lauderdale bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep where the boys are for
Speaker 1 00:09
daughter Dale you took too much black market okay can we cut that please not that part all right let’s pretend like we have a show oh right okay
Speaker 2 00:22
Bye!
Speaker 1 00:36
Pack your body bags. We’re going on a slaycation. These are murders and mysterious deaths that happen while you’re on vacation. I am your co -host Adam Tex Davis. I am a comedy writer and producer, and I’m joined by my lovely wife.
Speaker 3 00:55
You forgot Wonderful Husband.
Speaker 1 00:57
Oh, thank you. My lovely wife, who was a former social worker and a huge true crime buff and, uh, hello, Kim. Hello, my darling. And of course I’m joined by, well, we’re joined by my producing partner, longtime friend, TV producer, crime show producer, you name it.
Speaker 1 01:19
He’s produced it. Our dear friend, our dear friend, Jerry Colber. Hey guys. So first, you know, we had a nice run of great reviews.
Speaker 2 01:33
Oh, you’re going right there. Going right there. I was like teeing this up. Okay.
Speaker 1 01:37
Oh, you had, you had a, I was just saying it like we had a nice run of great reviews. Here’s the thing. I don’t mind a negative review, but review the show. Okay. Review the fucking show because this is the review.
Speaker 1 01:51
Uh, the title was ads don’t lead with sympathy for the victims by someone named Lola like Cola. Okay. All right. First of all, Lola Cola. Thanks for the network notes. You were a boss and that you were paying for the show, but also the purpose of the ad isn’t to show empathy for the victims.
Speaker 1 02:18
It’s to make people laugh. So they’ll listen to the show. And if you don’t laugh at the ad, then you probably won’t like the show. So it’s to give you a precursor of what the show is. And look, if you don’t like it and you don’t want to laugh and enjoy it, that’s fine.
Speaker 1 02:32
There are people who love us and then there’s you and what you don’t get to do though is you don’t get to tell us how to make or promote our show. So I don’t know. I don’t know if you do that with everything that you do and everything that upsets you, everything that upsets your delicate sensibilities, but here’s a public service announcement.
Speaker 1 02:51
Nobody likes people who do that. And for the record, for the record, I want to say that we are empathetic to the victims. If you listen to the show, you’ll hear us gasping upset. You know, nobody likes that.
Speaker 1 03:05
So despite the insensitive puns, which unlike you are both cute and funny, I just want to say Lola, you could shut your pie hole.
Speaker 2 03:16
I would just like to say that I give Lola Lycola’s review one star. There you go. Not tolerable. Not tolerable. So what’s funny is I got to say, I’ve been doing TV shows and podcasts now for a while and I don’t think I’ve ever received a review.
Speaker 2 03:32
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone come to the show to review an ad, right? We’ve got a couple. There actually have been a couple.
Speaker 1 03:39
that I heard the ad and they got disgusted and then they left a one -star review. I didn’t even know you could. I thought you had to listen to an episode in order to even leave a review.
Speaker 2 03:48
No, I think you can just leave reviews.
Speaker 1 03:50
Spotify like if you go to hit the review it says hey, don’t you want to listen to the show like dough
Speaker 2 03:54
Oh, thank you, Spotify. You know I’m a fan of Spotify. They are very supportive of us in the show, and I like that they have that feature. I think Apple will allow you to review without listening. Yeah.
Speaker 2 04:04
Okay. But I’ll read this one. So coming in just a couple of days before that one, Mary with an eye. So Marie? My eye? I guess Mary, because she’s saying with an eye.
Speaker 3 04:16
friend whose name is Ma but I pronounce it Mari Mari
Speaker 2 04:20
Well, because she’s saying with an I I’m assuming it’s Mary. Yeah, so she says I’m not sure how I stumbled on slake Haitian But I absolutely love this podcast. I’ve always been a fan of true crime morbid I know these three Adam tolerable Jerry and the woman take a very heavy subject and weave a great tale and get some hilarious Comedy at the same time I also like that you three are still able to be serious and Respectful when needed the dynamic of your trio and the setup of the show is fabulous Keep up the good work forget the haters and more Kim Oh that
Speaker 3 04:53
It was such a good review
Speaker 2 04:55
Five stars. She gave us five stars, but I’m getting her review of five stars. I think I’m gonna start giving stars to the review. Yes!
Speaker 3 05:01
Yeah, what a great idea, Jerry. I mean… Right? Yeah. Okay. Don’t hate the players. Don’t hate the players.
Speaker 2 05:08
hate the game exactly I don’t know why we’re using that right now but it just feels right don’t hate the players hate the game yeah yes
Speaker 1 05:17
also want to say one other thing. The Slake Haters only group, I think the last time we recorded we had just over a hundred. Now by this time this comes out it’ll be over 200 and you guys are amazing.
Speaker 1 05:33
The back and forth has been fantastic. Oh, I love them. Love them. Kim and I love going back and forth. Jerry gets in there a little bit, but we’re
Speaker 3 05:42
to get in there. I don’t know. I don’t know. It’s so fun. It’s so fun.
Speaker 2 05:48
The problem is I didn’t even know how to get into this Lake caterer. Okay. Remember, remember you had a call that taught you how to go in there.
Speaker 1 05:55
from the makers of we can’t get into our website comes from the creators of Hadi.
Speaker 2 06:01
email us. I do know how to use Facebook. I just had never used a group before. Right. I was scoffing at the idea of the group but it turns out the group’s amazing. I did take a peek at it and was like oh this seems great I should get in here and then I got busy with something else.
Speaker 2 06:15
Gotcha. But I’ll be there. I’m coming. I’m coming to Lake Haters.
Speaker 1 06:18
Also, we’ve been getting great emails. I did want to say one, we did get an email with a shout out request. So it says, love you, shout out request. You guys make Mondays exciting. I introduced my sister to your podcast a few episodes ago.
Speaker 1 06:33
She loves it too. Can you give a shout out to my sister, Catherine? Catherine! Catherine, we love you. She recently got married.
Speaker 3 06:40
Congratulations!
Speaker 1 06:42
And she said, thank you. Can’t wait for more episodes. And I think the sister who wrote this is named Tess.
Speaker 3 06:47
Thank you for listening, Tess. Thank you for getting your sister on board. Yay! Yay!
Speaker 1 06:54
Okay. The other thing we want to do is subscriptions. Yeah.
Speaker 2 06:58
Yes, we need to tell people. So we have some subscribers. We really talked about the fact we have a subscription that gets you an ad -free version of the show. Yeah, because who wants the ads? No one wants the ads, except for us, because the ads help.
Speaker 2 07:10
Well, the ads pay for the show, but the subscription is also… Either you got to listen to ads because that pays for the show, or you have to subscribe because that pays for the show. But we have a slow occasion plus subscription.
Speaker 2 07:20
Yes. That’s great. And you get the show ad -free and you get it a day early. So you can like, when you see your friends on Monday, you can be like, I already know.
Speaker 1 07:30
You’re gonna record bonus content for subscribers. Oh yeah, right. All kinds of stuff. In fact, yeah, Kim was, you know, digging up some unusual crimes she wanted to talk about. I was gonna maybe tell a story about my collect phone calls from John Wayne Gacy.
Speaker 1 07:42
Gary can explain the difference between a standard IRA and a Roth IRA. You don’t wanna miss it.
Speaker 2 07:49
I also can tell you about the portfolio I set up for John Wayne Gacy for the stocks.
Speaker 1 07:54
Right, the Bitcoin.
Speaker 2 07:55
But it’s true, by the way, this is a true fact that Adam did receive multiple collect calls from John Wayne Gacy and as well as I believe a Christmas card from John.
Speaker 1 08:04
I
Speaker 3 08:04
Yeah, I have a Christmas card for me. I saw it. Yeah. That’s crazy.
Speaker 1 08:08
All right. Good stuff for any new listeners, uh, that have suffered through this. The way this works is, uh, I don’t know the case. I don’t know anything about it. Jerry and Kim have done the research.
Speaker 1 08:18
They’re going to say the case. I’m going to learn along with you, the listener as sort of a proxy. And I will try to ask questions that might pop into your head as they pop into my head. And so with no further ado, Kim, where will we be slacating today?
Speaker 3 08:38
Today, Arslacating Antics takes us on Spring Break in the 80s. Mm -hmm. Yep. Oh, I love Spring Break. Yep. And in the 80s, in the coastal city 30 miles north of Miami along the Atlantic Ocean to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, nicknamed the Venice of America for its 300 miles of inland waterways of which 165 miles are in the city itself.
Speaker 3 09:06
Now, I don’t know if you guys know this, but Fort Lauderdale was a happening spot back in the day and a popular spring break hub for college kids looking to pack themselves in rooms party hardy and blow off steam with their friends.
Speaker 3 09:21
By the early 80s, Fort Lauderdale could expect to see anywhere and upwards of 350 ,000 spring breakers to converge on this coastal city which was nestled next to Miami and Pompano Beach. It can’t be overstated what a different world it was then.
Speaker 3 09:41
Everyone and their mama didn’t have a cell phone. There was no internet. There was no texting. There was no posting and posing on Instagram. And crazy to think that we lived during that time and really didn’t think that much of it.
Speaker 3 09:56
It really was, if you think about it, all about being and purely authentically in that moment and everything you did, the drinking age during that time was 18, which of course only added to the appeal of Fort Lauderdale as a spring break destination complete with beach parties, wet t -shirt contests, and banana eating contests.
Speaker 2 10:23
Wait, what? Banana eating? Yes, that was the thing.
Speaker 3 10:26
I don’t know, but that’s just that are you from ism That’s gotta be right. Well, I don’t know I could see it being a thing Not that I’ve ever done it. I’m just saying I’ve eaten bananas, but not as a contest.
Speaker 3 10:40
But yes. Oh, it’s like a hot dog eating
Speaker 1 10:42
contest with bananas. Right. There’s nothing to do with banana hammocks. Okay. Oh, banana hammocks.
Speaker 2 10:48
That’s not a term I’ve heard in a while.
Speaker 3 10:50
What is a banana hammock?
Speaker 1 10:52
Ha ha!
Speaker 2 10:53
You’re wearing one now. Allow me to demonstrate. Josh, avert your eyes.
Speaker 3 11:01
It’s something that holds the package? Yeah, like a jock. Jock, like it’s like a jock. Like a speedo.
Speaker 2 11:07
It’s like a speedo -y. I see. It is a speedo, isn’t it? It’s like, it’s a speedo, but it’s like, I always thought the Banana Havocs were like a little, even more string bikini -ish than a speedo.
Speaker 1 11:17
it’s like a Euro thing, right? It’s like, it literally covers nothing else except the banana, the banana. Imagine a hammock.
Speaker 3 11:24
I see all right with the banana. Thank you for the visual all right so this of course all this debauchery would get on the nerves of the locals and soon the local government would start to crack down and pass laws restricting parties they would ban concerts on the beach and enforce capacity rules and hotels and bars
Speaker 1 11:50
Is this supposed to-
Speaker 3 11:50
old people living there? I don’t know if it’s old people, but I know that the spring break era and the 350 ,000 that would… Descend. Yeah. It’s not like that anymore. Gotcha. I mean, and now with the drinking age at 21, spring break now, a lot of the students tend to go to Mexico or places where the drinking age is 18 or…
Speaker 3 12:16
It’s still pretty vibrant though, right? No, it’s definitely still vibrant. It’s just not insane, which…
Speaker 1 12:23
But the 80s, that’s when MTV started their Spring Break programming and would go down to Florida and just get kids doing mental. Also Girls Gone Wild, I think, started probably down there.
Speaker 2 12:34
Yeah, I remember, because I did grow up in that area in the 1980s, I was in high school.
Speaker 1 12:41
That’s right. Jerry went to high school in Miami.
Speaker 3 12:44
Not that far, actually.
Speaker 2 12:46
No, it’s not. I was actually just in Fort Lauderdale this past weekend. Without eating contest. No, it was a family thing. So no bananas. But the spring break was an issue. I remember that. I remember here, that was a thing, especially from 83, 84 through the late 80s, and it just got out of control.
Speaker 2 13:06
Up until that point, that spring break was considered a great thing because the kids were not maniacs.
Speaker 3 13:14
Right. And I’m sure it generated a lot of income, yeah.
Speaker 2 13:18
like they were making like a huge chunk of their annual income from these you know it’s because spring break is really like a couple of months because each school has its own time off
Speaker 3 13:27
somewhere that it generated like 1 ,100 per spring breaker.
Speaker 2 13:31
Wow. Okay. So, so a lot, but up to that point, it had been pretty chill. It had always been a good thing for Fort Lauderdale and you know, it brought in a lot of money. And then at some point first, we can talk about some of the cause of this, but at some point in the eight early eighties it became out of hand and, and then got worse and worse and worse to the point where an MTV came in and the girls gone wild and just took on this other tone that wasn’t just bad for the amount of damage.
Speaker 2 13:59
Like it was causing like like tens and tens of millions of dollars of damages over the course of spring break, but it was also ruining Fort Lauderdale’s reputation as a nice year round family destination.
Speaker 2 14:10
Right. Right. So it was, it was, it was doubly impactful. It was causing costs from spring break and hurting their tours in the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 14:17
You know, it’s funny. Yeah, I only say that I only know. I only know Fort Lauderdale from spring break. Like it’s when you say Fort Lauderdale, I immediately think spring break. I don’t even think like, oh, people live there.
Speaker 1 14:28
And but of course.
Speaker 2 14:30
Of course they do. Yeah, I mean, it has, well, and now, especially because they’ve, as Kim was just saying, you know, they put so many restrictions on the bars and the capacity and then they started putting restrictions on where you could park and where you could drink in public.
Speaker 2 14:45
And the cops like really cracked down, right? To the point where
Speaker 3 14:50
They got very strict.
Speaker 2 14:51
Yeah, like they just made it very unwelcome for these college kids to where now they get they were getting what was it Kim like 350 400 ,000 a year. Yeah, yeah. And now it’s
Speaker 3 15:01
2006, it was $10 ,000.
Speaker 1 15:03
thousand. Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 15:05
But the rest of the year, it’s filled. It’s fun. Where we were was this really fun family resort and tons of families and grandparents and kids, and then they have a year -round population there. So it did work out better, I think.
Speaker 2 15:19
But our story takes place in the heyday.
Speaker 3 15:23
In fact, Mayor Robert Dressler would appear on Good Morning America in 1985 and formally announced that Spring Breakers were no longer welcome to the city of Fort Lauderdale.
Speaker 2 15:36
Oh, but they still came.
Speaker 3 15:39
They did. But the city would evolve from the crazy spring -breaking youth to a more mature and family -oriented clientele. Sounds much more fun than Girls Gone Wild. Well, yes. And local and independently -owned hotels would be replaced by more notable corporate brands such as Marriott, Hilton, and the Ritz Carlton.
Speaker 3 16:02
Some of these places won’t even rent anyone under the age of 25.
Speaker 1 16:06
Is this the death of fun? Is the victim on location?
Speaker 3 16:10
These girls have gone wild, only the definition of fun for you.
Speaker 1 16:14
i’m just saying all this partying and stuff they took it away is that the question yes i know kim you are the star of girls gone mild girls gone.
Speaker 3 16:22
That’s correct. That’s good. Anyway. But the Fort Lauderdale, made famous by the romantic comedy, as Jerry said, where the boys are, would evolve from the inebriated, knuckleheaded, unripe adult of spring break chaos to a more subdued beach experience and shed its spring break image and cater more to families, boaters, and yachters.
Speaker 3 16:47
Yachters? Yes, yachters! You know, I had to get my yachters in there, right? Yachters. Shout out to my yachters. Yes! Yes, my rockers.
Speaker 2 16:57
There is a lot of yachts there. I didn’t notice that actually.
Speaker 3 17:00
Like big. Yes. Yeah. Anyway. So, Susan, I wasn’t sure how to pronounce her name. It’s spelled Jox. I think it’s Jox.
Speaker 2 17:08
It’s jock.
Speaker 3 17:09
Okay, so Susan Jopf
Speaker 2 17:12
by the way, just to point out, so Barry, our good friend Barry has been listening to this show, and he has texted me many times telling me we are pronouncing people’s names wrong and the place is wrong.
Speaker 2 17:22
And he’s like, anytime you have a question about how to pronounce a name of a place or a person, call me because y ‘all are not getting it right. So we’re probably getting this wrong, but I’m not, I’m not calling Barry right now.
Speaker 1 17:35
If you tell Burry, I don’t give a shit.
Speaker 3 17:41
Well, doing the best we can here.
Speaker 2 17:45
But I think it’s, I think it’s Jacques. Okay. Susan Jacques. Okay. Susan Jacques. Susan Jacques.
Speaker 3 17:50
Anyway, well Susan Jop, Kara Buckley, and a group of other high school friends arrived in Fort Lauderdale on April 18th, 1986. They all checked in at the Mark 2100 Hotel, primed and ready to partake in the glorious ten -day fiesta of fun in the sun.
Speaker 3 18:12
So Susan’s mom, her cautionary warning to her daughter to not wander off alone, was likely a distant memory by now. Susan and her best friend, Kara, who shared a room along with their traveling cohorts, were celebrating what was likely the last hurrah together as the graduating class of 86 from St.
Speaker 3 18:34
Joseph High School in Trumbull, Connecticut. And with graduation on the horizon and plans to go on to college, and Susan heading to the University of Hartford, Kara, the University of Rhode Island, this would provide a taste of independence.
Speaker 3 18:50
This would be Susan’s very first time traveling without her family. And I suspect that this would be true for the others in the group as well. The gang would use this opportunity to explore, and as teens do, really lean into their newfound freedom and just enjoy not having parents and adults police their every move.
Speaker 3 19:11
Given that Fort Lauderdale was such a spring break hotspot at the time, there was likely a lot to do and places to go, like snorkeling, swimming, and jet skiing by day, and hitting the clubs and bar scene by night.
Speaker 3 19:28
And the place to be in that era was a spot called The Candy Store. Did you ever hear of The Candy Store, Jerry? Yes. You have. I had a feeling.
Speaker 2 19:39
I had heard of it. I don’t think I ever went there.
Speaker 3 19:41
Well, it’s funny, when you live there, it’s probably like, whatever.
Speaker 2 19:44
Yeah, I was a little, I was a little young together, but you know, you always heard about different places.
Speaker 3 19:49
The candy store which by day hosted the teeny weeny bikini contest and in the evening offered a vibrant lively venue for drink and dancing and good times so it was not surprising that Susan and her friends making the rounds at various clubs would hit up that joint arriving at around my bedtime of 10 o ‘clock where they would party and frolic drink beer throw back vodka shots to the wee hours of the morning closing down the club and Susan Kara along with their other friends started to head back now from the candy store and an evening of shenanigans back to their hotel and it’s speculated that Susan may have wanted to connect with another group of friends maybe even a boy who caught her eye but around 3 30 in the morning not heating her mother’s wise counsel and much to the dismay of her friend Kara Susan announced that she wanted to take a walk on the beach okay which sounds lovely yeah and it was theorized that Susan looking to meet up possibly with a new group of friends left for her walk on the beach towards an empty stretch of State Road a 1a back towards a place called trade winds hotel which stood adjacent to the candy store
Speaker 2 21:20
I just want to mention one or two things here, so when she went back to the motel, it was just with three of her friends, so there’s also a theory that she was just saying she wanted to go for a walk on the beach, but was actually going to look for where the other girls were, and maybe back at the trade winds.
Speaker 1 21:38
Like her group of friends wanted to call it an evening and she was like, I’m going to go meet up with them.
Speaker 2 21:42
the other friends, because there was 10 of them that all were traveling together. Gotcha. And so four of them had gone back to the hotel, six of them were somewhere else. Gotcha.
Speaker 3 21:50
Right, it felt like she wanted to keep the party going and these kids are what 18
Speaker 1 21:54
Yeah, the drinking age was still 18
Speaker 3 21:56
right? At that time, yes. I know that there was a minimum drinking act that was passed in 1984. I know that supposedly by 1985, the drinking age was technically 21. I don’t know when it was like officially enforced.
Speaker 3 22:14
There comes a point where they have to officially enforce it. I don’t know how much of it is, you know, the second in half.
Speaker 1 22:21
I wonder if you can be grandfathered in like hey, I’ve been drinking. I’m 18 I’ve been drinking this whole year and then you change it to 21 like I can still drink
Speaker 2 22:30
Right. I mean, I’ve been doing it. That’s got to be that must have been weird. You know, suddenly you can.
Speaker 1 22:35
Yeah. But she can go to war. I guess she can.
Speaker 3 22:37
Yeah, it’s interesting that you said that because that was actually one of the reasons why the drinking age was 18 was because of the Vietnam War where
Speaker 2 22:49
So I just want to also mention about the candy store because it was a pretty well -known place, but not always for great reasons, right? No, no, not always? No, no. No. You know, it was one of those bars that it was attached to this hotel, the trade wins.
Speaker 2 23:04
And they would get anywhere from 2 ,000 to 3 ,000 patrons during the day and then like 3 ,000 at night during spring break. So it was big. It was busy. It was like kind of lawless in the sense of they weren’t really checking IMBs so much necessarily.
Speaker 2 23:24
This was the place where you had the teeny weeny bikini contest, belly flop contest, beer guzzling contests. And the guy who owned it was a guy named Bobby Vinucci, who was a business partner of Joe Namath.
Speaker 2 23:36
Little fun fact there for you. Football player.
Speaker 1 23:38
Yeah, and so we don’t name his own part of candy store. So
Speaker 2 23:43
Oh, no, I don’t think so, but he only, he had, Bobby Venucci had deals with Nameth and some others in the restaurants. That’s close to three in New York? Yes, as a matter of fact. Why do you know that?
Speaker 2 23:56
Because it’s Joe Nameth and I’m a Jets fan. Jesus.
Speaker 1 23:59
Oh, for the jets, yeah. For the jets. Right. They should be on slake agent. Every day.
Speaker 2 24:05
Yeah, in fact, he did own a portion of Bachelor’s 3, Mr. Nemeth. And just before Kim jumps back in here, so the candy store was actually considered by the Fort Lauderdale commissioners to be almost the poster child for everything that was wrong with Spring Break.
Speaker 3 24:21
Exactly. That’s right. The debauchery, the, yes, the mayhem.
Speaker 1 24:28
story comes from. Oh, interesting. No, that’s not true.
Speaker 2 24:31
So the city, by the time we get to 86, when we’re dealing with that story, they were already eyeballing like, how do we shut this place down? And they had a bunch of things. They went after it for public nuisance, plumbing violations, electrical violations.
Speaker 2 24:43
They even ultimately, they eventually forced the hotel, the trade winds, out of business. Right, they shut that shit down. And by kind of forcing that out of business, the liquor license for the candy store had been written.
Speaker 2 24:56
I don’t know whether this was smart or coincidental, but the liquor license for the candy store required that it be attached to a functioning hotel. And so when the trade winds went out of business, that’s when they were able to really pull the plug on.
Speaker 2 25:08
Gotcha. And that was when? That was like a couple of years later, late 80s. But I just want to give you that background, because the candy store is like a spring break central craziness. So one of the theories is that Susan was like, I don’t really want to go to bed.
Speaker 2 25:25
I want to go, and was maybe going back there to look for her friends, but didn’t want to tell her best friend that, because she was afraid her best friend might be like, not let her go.
Speaker 3 25:36
So the walk on the beach sounded more like, I’m just going to go take a leisurely stroll, get some air.
Speaker 1 25:42
We have a daughter. We know what lying sounds like.
Speaker 3 25:47
uh that is true right but susan never made it back after leaving the hotel and an unidentified woman reportedly told her friends when they went looking for her that she saw her talking to a man with blonde hair at a nearby howard johnson’s at around 4 am and it was rumored that the man was overheard asking if she was wearing a one piece or a two piece bathing suit which is a peculiar detail but it’s out there so
Speaker 1 26:24
Wait, a woman overheard this conversation at four in the morning.
Speaker 2 26:29
At a Howard Johnson’s. At a Howard Johnson’s. Yeah.
Speaker 3 26:31
now they don’t know who the woman is and they don’t know who the man is. But that was the talk.
Speaker 1 26:37
So these kids are asking around, like where is our friend and this woman’s like, oh, I saw, I saw this friend, Howard Johnson’s. Okay. All right.
Speaker 3 26:47
So, Susan, last seen wearing a white miniskirt, a peach tank top, and flip -flops, was officially reported missing on April 26, 1986. And Fort Lauderdale police would begin their search in earnest, even enlisting a helicopter search of the beach.
Speaker 3 27:10
So she is advantaged.
Speaker 1 27:12
Pretty much. Yeah. Along with Howard Jones’s.
Speaker 2 27:17
Well, you said no jokes. Ha ha ha ha! But how is that?
Speaker 3 27:21
I’m trying to get my spirits up, man.
Speaker 1 27:24
that high school kid is not uh no it’s terrible no no oh god no i’m gonna pull the ads down
Speaker 3 27:32
is too much. Well brace yourself because the suck continues.
Speaker 1 27:40
It’ll continue right after this quick break and we’re back. Yes.
Speaker 3 27:46
can break our hearts please so on April 29th about 640 a .m. a badly decomposed body was found floating in a canal about a mile east of Florida’s Turnpike west of Delray Beach 35 miles away from downtown Fort Lauderdale oh that’s a ways away yes the body would be identified by dental records and was confirmed to be that of Susan Jacques
Speaker 1 28:18
And how long after she was missing was this again about three days three days. Okay. Yeah, so her group was still there
Speaker 3 28:25
on spring break by this time they had all headed home they had stayed for the rest of their trip and tried to look for her right
Speaker 1 28:37
parents calm and everybody. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 28:39
Yeah. She was found fully clothed, wearing a Gucci watch, a gold ring with the letter S inscribed on it, and several bracelets. Post -mortem report by the Palm Beach County medical examiner noted the deceased was fully dressed and in the same clothes in which she was last seen in.
Speaker 3 29:02
Given the state of decomposition, it was challenging to pin down a cause of death.
Speaker 1 29:10
you
Speaker 2 29:10
Oh, wow.
Speaker 3 29:11
Yeah, and ultimately the death was listed as undetermined. Undetermined.
Speaker 2 29:17
Yeah, they didn’t find any evidence of physical trauma or sexual assault. No wounds of any kind. Now, she was decomposed to the point where some evidence may have decomposed, but they were like, you know, they’re used to looking at bodies in that state and they couldn’t find any evidence of violence.
Speaker 2 29:36
There was no indication that she drowned. They did check her blood levels. They said it was not, didn’t have an excessive alcohol level. They didn’t find any evidence of narcotics, but they did say because of the decomposition that it’s possible that those things would not have been still in her blood.
Speaker 2 29:55
But yeah, they couldn’t find, they didn’t know.
Speaker 1 29:57
Blunt. No wounds. No stabs. No. No, nothing. Huh. Kim is a true crime aficionado. What does it usually mean when they can’t determine the cause of death?
Speaker 3 30:11
You know, it’s unfortunate. I mean, you also have to consider too, just the advancements that we’ve made since the 80s. That’s true. So I wonder how much in the way of tools were available to them to be able to figure those types of things out.
Speaker 3 30:30
I think on the face of it, there was nothing indicative of injury. She didn’t have bruises. She didn’t have anything that would say that she had been beaten or even assaulted.
Speaker 1 30:44
So at that point, they’re probably not even thinking murder, right? Well…
Speaker 3 30:50
I’ll tell you, there was a police detective, Detective Phil Mundy. He actually expressed his opinion that he felt that she met with foul play, even siding with 90% certainty that this was a murder. For him, he was hung up on the distance from where her body was found.
Speaker 1 31:17
But she couldn’t have fallen in that canal and then just been taken.
Speaker 2 31:22
They, they actually thought about that and they, they said, there’s no evidence that she drowned. They looked at her lungs and she said,
Speaker 1 31:28
died and fell into the canal and then just it took her, or somebody threw her into the canal, say, after she was already dead.
Speaker 2 31:36
They say looked at all of that and and Phil Mundy felt like he said it wasn’t suicide or natural causes No, the only thing they said because the toxicology was unclear was very slight possibility that she had taken some sort of drugs and Then fall and write something and then fallen in the canal But that was very the problem with that is it’s like just incredibly inconsistent with her her as a person like it’s just not right like not a thing she would have done and then also the Circumstances of like how she would have done that and ended up 35 miles away Yeah,
Speaker 2 32:15
but you know you have to consider
Speaker 3 32:18
Sorry Jerry, I interrupted you again.
Speaker 2 32:20
That’s okay. Getting used to it. That’s what you do. Yeah, the whole thing is like, okay, then you’re like, we’ll play that out. Like, where did she do these drugs? How did she end up 35 miles away? Why is she in this canal?
Speaker 2 32:34
Like, it just, you just can’t, you can’t come up with a plausible…
Speaker 1 32:38
Well, I could say the words candy store.
Speaker 2 32:41
Well, sure, but then she’s, how did she get 35 miles away? That I don’t know. And then you end up, you always end up back at like someone drove her, she didn’t have a car.
Speaker 1 32:51
Right. But I’m saying the canal couldn’t have taken it. Right.
Speaker 2 32:56
Oh, I don’t know, actually. I don’t know if that canal went. Well, they found her in the canal, right? Yes, but the canals, I don’t know if that canal goes straight. It doesn’t work like a river. I mean, a lot of these canals are like little short, like they sort of intersect.
Speaker 2 33:08
I don’t know if that canal goes all the way to the candy store. Gotcha. But that was never, I didn’t read anywhere that that was a theory. Okay. But I like that you’re thinking like a detective.
Speaker 1 33:20
Okay, so they do think that foul play. Yes, yes. Monday is 90 percent.
Speaker 3 33:25
sure. I love that he has a… No, he’s very clear. I mean, but look, you know, unfortunately, though, just given the state of the body and everything that went down, there’s nothing to substantiate cause of death, sexual assault.
Speaker 3 33:40
And without any conclusive findings, it made this investigation really challenging. There’s nobody coming forward. There’s nobody offering additional information. What about the woman? No, they couldn’t.
Speaker 3 33:54
They couldn’t track her down.
Speaker 1 33:56
a blonde guy.
Speaker 3 33:58
couldn’t find or locate him either.
Speaker 2 34:01
Like a story. Right. It was like a sad. Almost a rumor.
Speaker 3 34:03
similar. Yeah.
Speaker 2 34:05
Detective Mundy actually said early on, he said, look, we did all the neat stuff that detectives do, fingerprint checks, crime scene evidence, we’ve done all of that, there’s nothing here. And then he went on to say that this whole case was hitting him particularly hard because he had a daughter that was just one year older than Susan.
Speaker 2 34:25
So he was especially sympathetic to this case and was really trying to figure it out. They just had so little to go on.
Speaker 3 34:32
Right. I mean, he had a theory also that it could have been an abduction, just in relationship to where her body was found. And to use his words, he suggested that it was an abduction by stranger, by guile, or by force into a car.
Speaker 2 34:50
He is a particular, his theory in particular. So when you’re on the beach next, sort of just over from the beach is this road called A1A, which is kind of the main highway. Right, right off the coast.
Speaker 2 35:02
It’s very, that area at night would be very deserted, right? There’s not gonna be a lot of car traffic there. So he had this theory that she did decide she wanted to go meet up with her friends, maybe didn’t find them where she thought they were gonna be.
Speaker 2 35:16
Somebody drove by and as he quoted saying, either forest or by guile, but he did say because she was from this small town of 30 ,000 people in Connecticut called Trumbull, that’s a town where if someone rolls up and says, hey, Susan, you need a ride, you get in the car.
Speaker 2 35:35
And that’s the world she comes from. It’s a very, Trumbull’s a very quiet, friendly, safe community, small community. And so if that’s her thinking and she’s had a few drinks, it’s not implausible that someone saw this girl walking.
Speaker 2 35:49
This was like, hey, do you need a ride? Get in, come on, get in. Where you headed. And then you’re fucked.
Speaker 1 35:56
Yeah.
Speaker 3 35:57
Yeah, this was hard too in the sense that it remains unsolved today.
Speaker 2 36:04
Well, yes, and the parents, it was Louisa and Warren, came down to try and help figure it out. They hired a guy called Joe DiNardo, who is a private investigator in Fort Lauderdale.
Speaker 3 36:19
One of the things that he was able to do was rule out people.
Speaker 2 36:24
Yeah, so Joe DiNardo was able to rule out people that didn’t do it. He actually worked, Susan’s longtime friend, this woman, Lynn Pasteur, came down to Fort Lauderdale to help with DiNardo. And so DiNardo checked the whereabouts of every single guy who had any kind of history of being a predator on women like this, and they were all accounted for.
Speaker 2 36:48
Then he had the bright idea, which actually was like, this is a very cool thing to check out. He went to every hotel in Fort Lauderdale to find out what men had checked out early the next day. So anyone who was staying longer but checked out early.
Speaker 2 37:01
So he checked all of those guys, everyone checked out fine. Like, no, there was no one in that group that seemed like they would have done it. Then they went to every bar, every party, every possible place that they could go in Fort Lauderdale at night with pictures of Susan, showed it to everybody.
Speaker 2 37:20
Nobody had seen her. So they just kept coming up with that end. And then DiNardo even said he’s never seen less useful information from an autopsy. He said it was just insane. He actually said we literally got zero from the medical examiner.
Speaker 3 37:37
So yeah, it was very limiting.
Speaker 2 37:41
Yeah.
Speaker 1 37:43
So what do you think happened? Oh wow.
Speaker 3 37:45
So that’s it. Yeah, I mean again, it’s still the case is still open. Yeah
Speaker 2 37:50
So, I wanted to bring in a couple of thoughts here.
Speaker 1 37:53
This is still open for 1986.
Speaker 2 37:56
call them if you have a tip. Holy shit. And in fact, you know, it’s just so awful, like her, her graduating class in Trumbull planted a tree in her memory. Her parents were calling constantly, you know, to see if there was any updates.
Speaker 2 38:09
And after a year, they said, we have to stop calling because there’s not any updates. Now, I was curious because I grew up in South Florida during this time.
Speaker 1 38:21
Where were you during that time?
Speaker 2 38:22
I was in South Miami, so they did not check me. I was in high school. Okay, yeah, nothing could happen. Well, here’s the thing, so Miami and Fort Lauderdale in the 80s were fucking nuts. Like they were nuts.
Speaker 2 38:42
Like looking back at the amount of shit that went down, even just looking at that year, I was like, okay, what was going on at Fort Lauderdale in 1986? In November of that same year, a concrete worker threatens to kill a building contractor after kidnapping him from his Pompano home.
Speaker 2 38:58
In September, 1986, a journalist named Hal Habib actually stopped a kidnapping, where? At the Tradewoods Hotel. Oh, yeah. Where this little girl was, her mom worked, and the little girl was by the pool, and some guy grabbed this little girl and put some in the car.
Speaker 2 39:17
Hal Habib hears the little girl screaming, I want my mommy, looks over and is like, this doesn’t look right, pulls in front of him, stops the kidnapping. And he’s a journalist. He’s actually a sports journalist.
Speaker 2 39:30
Oh, so he got the scoop. He actually, not only got the scoop, he didn’t want the scoop. He actually, this guy, Hal Habib said, yeah, he was like, you’re a hero, you’re a hero. And he said, no, I’m just a person.
Speaker 2 39:41
What would I be if I didn’t stop it? Right? Of course. And so he- And thank God he did. He did, yeah. He actually, there was an interesting article from Hal, from four or five years ago, where he went and he found the family that he’d helped.
Speaker 2 39:55
Anyways, digress. August, 1986, Pam Draper is kidnapped by a guy in Fort Lauderdale, she escapes.
Speaker 1 40:04
Pam Draper? Is that somebody I should know? Or are you just saying?
Speaker 2 40:08
Same names? Right, I got that. May 1986, Angela Crowley, 23 years old, just moved to Fort Lauderdale a few years before, gets kidnapped, raped, murdered, and her body put in a canal. From 85 to 86, eight students died during spring break, mostly falling from balconies or stuff like that.
Speaker 3 40:27
One was Michael C. Hutchins, 22 of Buffalo Grove, Illinois, and a sophomore at Western Illinois University, reportedly fell backwards over a balcony railing at the Pier 66 Hotel on March 22nd, 1986. And he would be found by a security guard about 6 .15 in the morning.
Speaker 3 40:52
His friends didn’t see him leave.
Speaker 2 40:56
So what, so there’s like a question as to what actually happened. And of course you will, you all will know the most famous kidnapping case from this period, David Friedman, who was famously kidnapped from Fort Lauderdale in 1978, disappeared and only reappeared in Fort Lauderdale in August of 1986, who was kidnapped by aliens in the movie flight of the navigator.
Speaker 2 41:21
All right. Starring Joey Kramer, star Jessica Parker, and P .D. Herman. But in fact, that movie does involve an alien abduction in Fort Lauderdale in 1986. So I’m just including it on the list, Flight of the Navigator.
Speaker 2 41:33
Good, good 80s reference if anyone. Yeah, sure. So that’s all the stuff that’s going on. But then the other, the other thing to keep in mind about when we think of like the crime rate in South Florida, violent crime from 1979 until 1986 had increased 50 percent.
Speaker 2 41:50
Right. This area had by 1985 so many murders every year that like the morgue for the city of Miami couldn’t keep all the bodies and they had to hire refrigerated trucks.
Speaker 1 42:02
because of the murder, the number of drug, drug stuff.
Speaker 2 42:05
Right. And so that’s the context too, is like this area is a bit, there’s like a general sense of lawlessness in the South Florida area in the 1980s, so much so that some journalists actually start calling it like, they start referring to these whole areas, like a failed third world state, basically.
Speaker 1 42:21
Well, at least Florida’s reputation has completely recovered.
Speaker 2 42:26
Yeah.
Speaker 1 42:27
Well, no one thinks of it as anything but the most above board.
Speaker 2 42:35
What do you say about Florida? My home state, man. Yeah, I know. Violent crime is down. It is. Yes. It is. Common crime is down. Crimes against the mind. Yeah.
Speaker 3 42:46
Oh my goodness. Well, what is the take -away?
Speaker 1 42:51
The takeaway is coming up right after another quick break. And we’re back with take away. What to take away from this.
Speaker 2 43:03
Well, I just want to finish the thought of the South Florida atmosphere.
Speaker 3 43:07
No, damn it, Jerry, did I interrupt you again?
Speaker 2 43:09
That’s fine. I like taking a break. It keeps people on the edge, you know? And then take away. Okay. So in 1986, in April, there was what’s considered the deadliest day in FBI history, which was a shootout between a bunch of FBI agents and a couple of guys they were chasing who were involved in various things.
Speaker 2 43:30
And these guys opened fire, killed two FBI agents, injured five of them. And where was this? This was a 12201 Southwest 82nd Avenue. And Fort Lauderdale? No, this was actually in Pinecrest. About 10 or 12 miles south.
Speaker 2 43:46
But significantly to me, it was two blocks from my high school. Oh. So. Wow. Was it during a school day? It was. Did you hear that earlier? I did not. Because you skipped? I was probably at Barry’s school.
Speaker 2 44:01
Barry? Barry again? Barry. Well, Barry and Barry, my best friend for life. Went to a nearby school where I was often- Professional name pronounceer. He is a professional name pronounceer. But I was often at his school in the morning, which is why I did not do particularly well in math because math was in the morning.
Speaker 2 44:18
But no, I was not, I was not, I don’t recall hearing that, hearing the gunfire, but it was a big deal. And you know, it was just, we were having riots, like the black communities in downtown Miami had rioted in like 80, 82, 89, 91, always over cops shooting, white cops shooting black people for unnecessary reasons.
Speaker 2 44:44
This was also in the eighties. In all, this was all in the eighties. And so. Thank God we got.
Speaker 1 44:48
I pass that too.
Speaker 2 44:49
Yes, thank God. Yeah. So the point is, and just the final thought on this is like the cops were no help between the like the unmotivated shootings of black people, the fact that… So they were seizing an average of…
Speaker 2 45:08
Not all cops, by the way. No, but… Put that out there. A hundred. Thank you. So Miami had a police force of a thousand people. Okay. In 1986, how many of those cops were under investigation for corruption?
Speaker 2 45:20
Of the thousand? Mm -hmm.
Speaker 1 45:23
Speaker 2 45:25
No. About a hundred. So ten percent of the force. Ten percent, yeah. It’s a lot. Ten percent.
Speaker 1 45:30
It was Babe Ruth’s home run total. Why? I don’t know why I said it.
Speaker 2 45:35
The average amount of cocaine being seized in Miami in 1986, the year this happened, just to give perspective on the amount of drug crime going, the average amount being seized by the DEA was 900 kilograms per week.
Speaker 2 45:46
Wow. Per week. This was a place in a time where bad shit happened. How many were you responsible for? That’s no. So the point I’m just trying to make here is like, this is not Trumbull. It’s not Trumbull coming into Connecticut.
Speaker 2 46:05
It’s not even Dallas, Texas. It’s a very, like the crime, the cocaine trade, everything going on down there had created an aura of lawlessness. And so there was just a sense that people could kind of do whatever they wanted and they weren’t going to get in trouble.
Speaker 2 46:25
And I think that it does speak to the, there is a certain level of law and order that I think that actually helps keep things, bad things from happening. So my takeaway from this one, there’s a certain level of policing that I think does good policing that does make things feel and actually be safer.
Speaker 2 46:50
And Miami and Fort Lauderdale did not have that. Right. They didn’t have that.
Speaker 1 46:55
police officers supposed to control 350 ,000 spring breakers.
Speaker 2 46:59
Well, that was actually that was the Miami force. So that so for Lauderdale was a smaller town had even less Yeah, they had even less and you get a good like a good cop like Phil Mundy, you know Who’s really sincerely invested in the case?
Speaker 2 47:10
But yeah to your point like they didn’t have enough cops to control the spring breakers let alone Also be keeping an eye on you know bad shit happening. Plus there was just so much corruption in the force, right that
Speaker 1 47:23
I’m sure people go down there during spring break to, they know there’s drunken kids everywhere. They’re easy targets. I’m surprised more bad shit doesn’t happen. I mean, you’re already saying a lot of bad shit, but it’s like, that’s where you go to prey on these kids.
Speaker 1 47:41
I mean, in a way, I mean, but also that’s the other part of the takeaway, I think is that’s why you gotta stay together. That’s why you gotta, you know, the only thing you have in your arsenal, in your favor is a big group of people is harder to, you know, to prey upon.
Speaker 1 47:59
I was gonna ask a question. Could it have been the work of a serial killer? Is there any possibilities?
Speaker 2 48:05
100%. In fact, there’s a guy, it’s a good question. He loves you all killers. So one of the people they looked at, I remember when I mentioned that there was a guy who tried to abduct a little girl from the trade winds.
Speaker 2 48:18
So when they arrested him, that was about five months after Susan went missing, one of the first things they did was question him about this case. And he had polygraphed him and he wasn’t involved. But they then had a guy called, they’d arrested a guy called Michael Rivera.
Speaker 2 48:33
Did you see about this, Kim? Michael? So he was arrested.
Speaker 1 48:38
Yes, honey, you’re gonna have to say the words. Sit in there, shaking her head.
Speaker 2 48:44
In February of 1986, a woman named Linda Calitan was, she was 29 years old. She was abducted and then found in this field near a canal. Two weeks prior, a young girl named Stacey Jasifak, who was 11, had been abducted and found in the exact same field two weeks prior.
Speaker 2 49:09
So the police had taken this guy, Michael Rivera, into custody because he had a habit of just calling up random women and saying horrible sexual things to them. He’d called one of these women and told her, I’m sure you heard about the girl, Stacey.
Speaker 2 49:23
I killed her, but I didn’t mean to. I just went out to expose myself and I saw her get off her bike, went up behind her and goes on and gives some details. Who do you say that to? To some random woman that he was calling, right?
Speaker 2 49:34
What? So she was like, hey, cops might have your guy here. So they arrest him and they are like, maybe he also did the murder of Linda, but when they do the timeline, they realize they arrested him the day before Linda went missing.
Speaker 2 49:52
And so he didn’t do it. And then he recants his confession later and says he has multiple personalities and all this. So then the cops were like, well, maybe someone else murdered Stacey, Linda and Susan.
Speaker 2 50:11
So they start looking for that. And they just didn’t find enough similarities between the murders to make them, other than the fact that they all ended up next to canals, but the women all looked a bit different.
Speaker 1 50:25
But as we learned in Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer, the best way to get away with it is to keep changing your MO, doing things differently, different victims, different methods. If you set a pattern, then they’re looking for that.
Speaker 1 50:38
If you’re just all over the place, and that was the serial killer Henry Lee Lucas was the model for that, and they’re not looking for a serial killer, they just think it’s a bunch of independent things.
Speaker 2 50:52
unrelated. Yeah. And that was my thought. And there are still some people who theorized that someone was just out murdering women that year in Fort Lauderdale because there are a couple of unsolved cases.
Speaker 1 51:05
I am just blown away that they could not figure out the cause of death. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of that.
Speaker 3 51:11
No, I mean, if, you know, a lot of it is, depends on the level of decomp.
Speaker 1 51:17
Right. So that’s the only.
Speaker 3 51:19
And also, again, you have to remember, it’s the 80s. Right. The forensics are not nearly, we’re not nearly as sophisticated then as they are now. The forensics weren’t as sophisticated as the cocaine.
Speaker 1 51:32
Haha.
Speaker 2 51:33
They weren’t. They weren’t. They really weren’t. Right. They really weren’t. I mean, that’s how they were running, you know, tens of thousands of kilos through. Right.
Speaker 1 51:42
That’s true, right? It’s before DNA stuff.
Speaker 2 51:45
DNA. They didn’t have all kinds of surveillance stuff, you know, like everything they, all the methods the police have now more sophisticated.
Speaker 3 51:53
- I mean, it.
Speaker 1 51:54
Was there any, like, cameras and stuff at that club? Mm -hmm. No. I mean, that’s the last place they would probably want to put a camera. There was no cameras. Pointing at the safe. Right. Or the bikini contest.
Speaker 1 52:06
Or the, yeah, bitty, bitty. Ah, a teeny weenie. Sorry. Teeny weenie. Yeah. Teeny weenie.
Speaker 3 52:12
Kini. But yeah. Ugh.
Speaker 1 52:15
Okay, all right, Kim, what’s your takeaway?
Speaker 3 52:20
You know, just to piggyback on what you said, which really is bring your friends, you know, bring a group. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll ever really know what happened to this young woman. We’ll never really know.
Speaker 3 52:38
We can speculate, we can say, well, maybe, you know, she fell or maybe she was, took a ride and was, I mean, there’s so many theories, but at the end of the day, nobody really knows. And again, it just really drives home the point that you really, really have to consider your own personal safety, even when you’re having fun.
Speaker 3 53:06
And I think this may be challenging, particularly for young people, and especially for young people that have never, been away from home and are now finding themselves in an environment where they’re not being policed and they’re not being watched by adults or parents.
Speaker 3 53:27
So it’s like, whoo, I’m gonna do whatever I want, whenever I want. And again, you’re not considering, you know, some are, I’m not saying, but you’re not considering how I need to be safe. And I think that too can’t be overstated, how different this might’ve been had she, you know, I had read somewhere that her friend had said, well, wait, let’s get a group together, which I, in my mind, you know,
Speaker 3 53:53
lends itself to the theory that she was looking to go reconnect or meet up with another group. But how different, this wouldn’t have even likely been a story if she had gotten a group together and they went for that walk on the beach.
Speaker 3 54:09
Because the reality is, you should be able to take a walk on a beach. That’s lovely. If that’s what.
Speaker 1 54:16
she was doing right or whatever she went out by herself and and never right and yeah
Speaker 3 54:22
know, and the impact of that reverberates to this day for everyone and anyone that has known and loved her. I’m sure that, you know, her friend who probably finished college and is probably raising kids of her own now has this and will have this for the rest of her life, you know.
Speaker 3 54:43
Yeah.
Speaker 1 54:45
Was this a famous case?
Speaker 3 54:47
No, it wasn’t particularly famous. I think a lot of it also was the fact that there wasn’t a lot of information and it wasn’t resolved.
Speaker 1 54:59
Right. Did this help facilitate the downfall of spring break and Fort Lauderdale at all? The guy was already saying like, don’t come, we don’t want to. Yeah. Now there’s a disappearance murder.
Speaker 3 55:09
Yeah, I’m sure it did not help the image of spring breaking in Fort Lauderdale. Also the death of Michael Hutchins. And there would actually be several deaths that would occur in that year of spring break madness in and around Fort Lauderdale and Daytona that lend itself to the argument of we need to shut this shit down.
Speaker 3 55:36
Everybody’s losing their minds and going crazy. All right. So everybody take a moment to put positive vibes in the universe. That’s my takeaway. Get the sage. Just start walking around with it. I think that’s what I’m going to do.
Speaker 2 55:54
We’re just like clouds of smoke around us at all times. Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3 55:59
Exactly. Yeah, it’s one of those. Yeah, for sure. So I think it’s important that we all take a moment to really consider what our role is in making the world a better place.
Speaker 1 56:11
Yeah. Thinking that I can’t have a cute or fun title for this one as much as I want to call it Fort Slaughterdale.
Speaker 2 56:22
I thought you were gonna go with death in Venice, Florida. Death in Venice, Florida. That’s pretty good, too. Oh my God. But Fort Lauderdale. You guys. All right, well. Well, there it goes. We were gonna get some good reviews on this episode, and we just blew it.
Speaker 2 56:36
Just blew it. Just blew it. Actually, anyone who’s hung in this long, thank you. You are a true slakators if you’re still with us. Yeah. I guess one other thing that’s interesting about this case is I think it might be the only case we’ve done that has zero resolution.
Speaker 3 56:51
Yeah, this case has no reason. Nothing.
Speaker 1 56:52
Like, I don’t know if it’s the only case we’ve done.
Speaker 2 56:55
But no, no, there’s but there’s been others where like, you kind of know, it’s like, oh, we know that kind of probably what happened to the people in the cartel episode, right, you know.
Speaker 3 57:03
Even if it’s years later, there’s even.
Speaker 2 57:05
Sometimes, yeah.
Speaker 1 57:06
unresolved or undetermined death.
Speaker 2 57:09
Yeah, it’s like you don’t know how she died. You don’t know how she got where she died. You don’t know whether it was foul play or something just went wrong. There’s no, the lack of any helpful information from the ME is like, you know, autopsy was inconclusive, nobody saw her.
Speaker 3 57:30
have come a long way.
Speaker 2 57:31
A long way, yeah. It’s like, I think if this happened now, there would be potentially something you could do with DNA, or there might be cameras everywhere. Like in Fort Lauderdale now, there’s cameras everywhere.
Speaker 2 57:43
They’re all like, you know, every business has cameras, so there’d be at least… Right.
Speaker 3 57:47
That’s right, CCTV.
Speaker 2 57:49
So the other thing that you’d have now is she would have a cell phone. She would also have the mom tracking. Yeah, probably mom tracking and then like, you know,
Speaker 3 57:59
freaking out the second she doesn’t respond to her text and it’s sending a text immediately. If I don’t hear from you right now, I’m calling in the FBI.
Speaker 1 58:10
Kim has obviously said that before.
Speaker 2 58:12
I’m just going to let that sit for a second, folks. That’s what it’s like to be Kim’s child.
Speaker 1 58:16
To your point, from the time period.
Speaker 2 58:18
Yeah. The time that you’re just lacking any of the technology, like you can’t, like now you could triangulate her cell phone to like, if there was a car and there was pings and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 58:27
Um, even, you know, so there’s just, there’s just so many pieces of technology that we have now that would help us even, even you can solve it. You’d at least have a better, better sense of maybe what happened.
Speaker 3 58:39
Exactly. Last steps or, yeah.
Speaker 1 58:43
there was anything to that thing with the mysterious woman and the things she saw and heard.
Speaker 2 58:50
I mean, it tracks with the idea because that, that Howard Johnson’s was towards where she was found. So it tracks with the idea that she got in a car with someone and that they stopped to have, you know, and it was like a friendly thing and they stopped to have a bite.
Speaker 2 59:05
And then after the bite, they got back in the car and that shit died down. So that tracks with that, but there’s never been any corroborating, you know, it’s always been circumstantial. There’s that woman and blonde person have never actually appeared.
Speaker 2 59:21
So it’s always like someone heard that someone said, so.
Speaker 1 59:25
All right, well, that’s another. Whoo, that’s a tough one. This is a doozy of a slakation, but on slakators only, there’s a lot of fun to be had for everyone. Discuss this case. People are posting all kinds of fun stuff.
Speaker 1 59:43
Share your theory.
Speaker 2 59:44
Yeah, or facts, if there’s something we’ve missed, you know, if you find something that we didn’t see for the Susan Jock case, we’d love to hear it.
Speaker 1 59:52
That is true. And yeah, any pictures, maybe we could put some stuff up. I’m curious if there’s any pictures of the candy, candy store, candy shop. What’s it called? Candy store. Candy store. Yeah. So yeah, check out Slake Haters Only on Facebook or our regular Facebook page.
Speaker 2 01:00:06
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Speaker 3 01:00:21
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Speaker 1 01:00:22
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